Why did He first appear to women after the Resurrection? Why were women in His inner circle, against all cultural norms of the day? Why did He commission women to be the first to teach men the fact of the Resurrection?
Paul refers to Junia, a woman, as an apostle.
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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Jerome, Mar 3, 2012.
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bible stated there were women prophets in NT times, a deaconess, were among those following jesus, NONE as a Pastor/elder though!Click to expand... -
Michael Wrenn said: ↑I'm sorry if I offended you earlier.
I have to take a break now.Click to expand...
Thank you for your apology - it is accepted. :)
But I disagree that giving a statement of a fact is teaching. Jesus had already taught about His resurrection - the women just told them that it had occurred. -
webdog said: ↑...and? Are we to blindly follow others or follow what God's word says?Click to expand...
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Women not in leadership? Not according to the scriptures...
Female Prophets, Disciples, Ministers & Apostles Mentioned in the Bible
There were many women who exhibited leadership in both the Old and New Testaments:
Exodus 15:20: Miriam, the sister of Aaron was a prophetess and one of the triad of leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt.
Judges 4 & 5: Deborah, a prophet-judge, headed the army of ancient Israel.
2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chronicles 34:22 Huldah, a prophet, verified the authenticity of the "Book of the Law of the Lord given through Moses." She triggered a religious renewal.
Acts 9:36 The author of Luke referred to a female disciple by her Aramaic name Tabitha, who was also known by her Greek name Dorcas. She became sick had died; Peter brought her back to life.
Acts 21:8: Philip the evangelist had four unmarried daughters who were prophets.
Philippians 4:2: Paul refers to two women, Euodia and Syntyche, as coworkers who were active evangelicals, spreading the gospel.
Romans 16:1: Paul refers to Phoebe as a minister (diakonos) of the church at Cenchrea. Some translations say deaconess; others try to obscure her position by mistranslating it as "servant" or "helper".
Romans 16:3: Paul refers to Priscilla as another of his "fellow workers in Christ Jesus" (NIV) Other translations refer to her as a "co-worker". But other translations attempt to downgrade her status by calling her a "helper". The original Greek word is "synergoi", which literally means "fellow worker" or "colleague." (7)
Romans 16:7: Paul refers to a male apostle, Andronicus, and a female apostle, Junia, as "outstanding among the apostles" (NIV) The Amplified Bible translates this passage as "They are men held in high esteem among the apostles" The Revised Standard Version shows it as "they are men of note among the apostles". The reference to them both being men does not appear in the original Greek text. The word "men" was simply inserted by the translators, apparently because the translators' minds recoiled from the concept of a female apostle. Many translations, including the Amplified Bible, Rheims New Testament, New American Standard Bible, and the New International Version simply picked the letter "s" out of thin air, and converted the original "Junia" (a woman) into "Junias" (a man).Click to expand...
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jaigner said: ↑Following the work of such noted scholars as N.T. Wright and a whole host of others is not exactly blind following. We are to follow the Bible, and to better do so, we greatly benefit from the good work other scholars have done.Click to expand...
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Alive in Christ said: ↑Click to expand...
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Alive in Christ said: ↑Female Prophets, Disciples, Ministers & Apostles Mentioned in the Bible
There were many women who exhibited leadership in both the Old and New Testaments:
Exodus 15:20: Miriam, the sister of Aaron was a prophetess and one of the triad of leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt.
Judges 4 & 5: Deborah, a prophet-judge, headed the army of ancient Israel.
2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chronicles 34:22 Huldah, a prophet, verified the authenticity of the "Book of the Law of the Lord given through Moses." She triggered a religious renewal.Click to expand...
Acts 9:36 The author of Luke referred to a female disciple by her Aramaic name Tabitha, who was also known by her Greek name Dorcas. She became sick had died; Peter brought her back to life.Click to expand...
Acts 21:8: Philip the evangelist had four unmarried daughters who were prophets.Click to expand...
Philippians 4:2: Paul refers to two women, Euodia and Syntyche, as coworkers who were active evangelicals, spreading the gospel.Click to expand...
Romans 16:1: Paul refers to Phoebe as a minister (diakonos) of the church at Cenchrea. Some translations say deaconess; others try to obscure her position by mistranslating it as "servant" or "helper".Click to expand...
Romans 16:3: Paul refers to Priscilla as another of his "fellow workers in Christ Jesus" (NIV) Other translations refer to her as a "co-worker". But other translations attempt to downgrade her status by calling her a "helper". The original Greek word is "synergoi", which literally means "fellow worker" or "colleague." (7)Click to expand...
Romans 16:7: Paul refers to a male apostle, Andronicus, and a female apostle, Junia, as "outstanding among the apostles" (NIV) The Amplified Bible translates this passage as "They are men held in high esteem among the apostles" The Revised Standard Version shows it as "they are men of note among the apostles". The reference to them both being men does not appear in the original Greek text. The word "men" was simply inserted by the translators, apparently because the translators' minds recoiled from the concept of a female apostle. Many translations, including the Amplified Bible, Rheims New Testament, New American Standard Bible, and the New International Version simply picked the letter "s" out of thin air, and converted the original "Junia" (a woman) into "Junias" (a man).Click to expand... -
webdog said: ↑I can't think of a better scholar than Paul...and he disagreed with N.T Wright on this.Click to expand...
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webdog said: ↑You beg the question by assuming Junias / Junia is a woman. At any rate an apostle is not a pastor, as Paul is proof of this.Click to expand...
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jaigner said: ↑Junia was absolutely a woman. That name was common, but there is no record of a "Junias."Click to expand...
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jaigner said: ↑Nope. I think both Paul and N.T. Wright would agree that Paul told a church in a very specific 1st-century context that women shouldn't be teaching in that place. I think they would both agree that it is permissible in our contemporary situation.Click to expand...
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webdog said: ↑Hardly. Given Paul's comparison of being able to manage one's household well (v.12) and the separate command to the women (v. 11) coupled with Paul's words to the Corinthians regarding roles of women and men and his letter to the Ephesians (chapter 5) regarding man's leadership role in the home is clear that his view is contradictory to Wright's and has nothing to do with the limited scope you are assigning it.Click to expand...
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Well.
In response to scriptural evidence, we find...
divert, ignore, change the topic.
divert, ignore, change the topic
divert, ignore, change the topic.
As for me, I am going to stick with the scriptual evidence
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Alive in Christ said: ↑Well.
In response to scriptural evidence, we find...
divert, ignore, change the topic.
divert, ignore, change the topic
divert, ignore, change the topic.
As for me, I am going to stick with the scriptual evidence
Keeping women "in their place" is nothing short of a crying shame.Click to expand... -
webdog said: ↑Or...answer your "scriptural evidence" (proof texts) one by one, then be accused of "divert, ignore, change the topic" while ignoring the counter Scripture given. Seriously, people reading his site have eyes and can see what a false accusation this isClick to expand...
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