No, you and Brother Ruckman are in complete accord here! :D
Lacy
PS. I got to hear Brother Ruckman preach not too long ago. He's 82 now and ornery as ever. My boys and I were greatly edified by his sermon. My main problem with him is that he doesn't take quite as hard a stand as I would like on the King James issue. ;)
Understanding Partial Rapture
Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Troy, Jun 4, 2004.
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Troy,
It would be great to challenge you to answer the questions asked you. It would also be needful to deal with the blockage you are suffering. But realistically you wont be here long enough to have a fruitful discussion. I can't see how you can declare understanding of biblical things, when you cannot seem to even understand the basic rules of this forum. -
But, I do want to thank him for bringing to the forefront and exposing the dangers of this cult we call Ruckmanism. I never realized just how insane this guy's teaching really were.
Joseph Botwinick -
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Troy, I would love to debate you and discuss these issues with you. But it would be unethical to do so in this forum which is reserved for Baptists only. Please post in the Other Religions Forum, where you will have the freedom to discuss these issues.
DHK
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Baptists are a big fat cult.
Great Harlot is of course RCC, religious Rome, but in the third wave movement marriage of RCC, Charismatics and Pentecostals of over 1.5 billion, there are lots of other little harlots (which are large in themselves too) like,
Calvinism reformism
Baptists (they can't see their inconsistencies between OSAS arminianism and calvinism as they sit in the middle)-I call it the pride of being in the middle but they can't see the mistake that calvinism is 100% wrong from the outset for not even one of its 5 points are true.
and many other denominational, person based and country based divisions.
But the body of Christ is not to be divided this way.
We are left with this conclusion,
The three groups are,
1. historicalists (amill., post-mill., preterisms) blunt the solemn warning at the end of this age so they think they won't know the wrath of God, and they have no faith Christ will return to reign in Person for 1000 yearsand reward His overcomers (note, not all Christians are like those of the 5 wise virgins).
2. pretrib and midtribber onlyists are overassumers and when they go through the Tribulation they won't realize it and take the mark of the beast for their fantasy.
3. posttribber and prewrather onlyists are hardening their spirit waiting for the Antichrist who must proceed Christ, taking away the hope of the church hardening their hearts for with the hope of Christ is an escaping the Hour of trial based on readiness to be received to the throne (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36).
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Shouldn't Troy's posts be moved to the humor section. I actually laughed out loud when I read this thing.
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I could be wrong but I think Troy may belong to the Local Church. They are a cultic group started by Witness Lee. That is why his views sound so confusing.
And yet -- get this -- they were accepted by a large Christian publication group and the ads for their Bible (the Recovery Version) are advertised on Christian radio. Also, one of their ministries, Living Stream Ministries, is promoted by some Christians.
Here's a link on this group:
http://www.lcinfo.org/?page=intro
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I could be wrong about Troy but because of his subjective statements, comment about Watchman Nee, and his listing of his church as a "locality," I was thinking this was a possibility. -
I plead with the moderators to allow this thread. It is quite comical and I am enjoying Troy's posts. It is like medicine for the soul.
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I am here to help you with the truth of your mistaken assumptions.
Locality is a principle not to be legalized. It prevents denominations. To understand how you are erring read this,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/whichchurch.htm
Realize that your subjective response is not recognizing God's objective Word when it comes to baptism as objectivley shown here,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/waterbaptism.htm
Ill start a new post for you to undertand this.
Daniel Azuma has his own set of problems recorded here,
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In one of the other threads in the all faiths forum the question was asked---Are UFO's for real? My initial response has always been no way, but Troy has gotten me to reconsider. Come on Troy its time to come in for a landing.
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Wait a minute. I think I might have seen this in an episode of Star Trek:
We are the Troy. Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated... -
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Often times the condition that we are in we reflect onto others. What is the condition of the baptist denominational stance?
It is this. Through their legalizations of baptism, making it a requirement, shows their attempt at "assimilations" so you see all you are doing in your Star Trek analogy is projecting outwardly your own condition. And thus the mentality is resistance is futile if you hoard with others who also legalize baptism.
But praise the Lord, we have the Word of God for as children of God the Holy Spirit allows us to understand the Word, which says on baptism that you are in a cult, and here is the truth of your mistaken assumption, if you hath an ear to hear,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/waterbaptism.htm
These are not my words. I want nothing for myself. But I discovered these words and said, yea, that is the answre to the problem that exists today in the baptismal cult in which they don't let the truth set them free but stay locked into a legalism. Praise God! -
My guess is Troy, that you don't really know what a Baptist is. Why don't you define what you think a Baptist is, and then we can go from there, correcting all your misconceptions. For example, "the legalization of baptism" ??
From your web page most of us would probably consider you as the one that is in a cult, so I would be careful throwing that word around if I were you. You talk about a "Baptismal cult," in reference to us, and yet you are the the one that believes in "baptismal regeneration." :rolleyes:
Believing that baptism is necessary to salvation, thus making salvation by works, is one of the marks of a cult.
That's enough to get started. Your beliefs on ecclesiology are enough for a thread in itself, as well.
DHK -
Joseph Botwinick -
Would you like to respond to these questions?
Joseph Botwinick -
Troy,
We are still waiting for any clear responses from you. I would be extremely surprised if you could give a coherent answer to the questions asked you without throwing the cult word around on issues you don't seem to understand. That you can refer us to a web page is really meaningless, your personal writings are unintelligable. Answer the questions, drop the name calling, at least until you understand what a Baptist is and understand what we believe about baptism and matters of eschatology. As long as your post sound like science fiction that is how they will be responded to.
Bro Tony -
Often times the condition that we are in we reflect onto others. What is the condition of the baptist denominational stance?
It is this. Through their legalizations of baptism, making it a requirement, shows their attempt at "assimilations" so you see all you are doing in your Star Trek analogy is projecting outwardly your own condition. And thus the mentality is resistance is futile if you hoard with others who also legalize baptism.
But praise the Lord, we have the Word of God for as children of God the Holy Spirit allows us to understand the Word, which says on baptism that you are in a cult, and here is the truth of your mistaken assumption, if you hath an ear to hear,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/waterbaptism.htm
These are not my words. I want nothing for myself. But I discovered these words and said, yea, that is the answre to the problem that exists today in the baptismal cult in which they don't let the truth set them free but stay locked into a legalism. Praise God! </font>[/QUOTE]This is the funniest stuff I have read all week long. You are not from Landover or the Holy Observer, are you? -
Troy is from Edmonton.
I now feel ashamed to be identified with my own city. :(
DHK
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