Vaccine mandates on public gatherings.

All credible science (and decades of mRNA studies) say otherwise.

 

I go back to America and the principles upon which we were founded. A people have no right to another person's property. Men are free within the constraints of the law to regulate their own affairs, including their businesses.

A minority of unvaccinated people do not have the right to deprive men of this liberty.

 

The thing is the things you deny are known. You can say "knowledge puffers up" but that is taking Scripture out of context. This would put you in the group of those insisting the earth is flat because it has 4 corners, rejecting the idea of open heart surgery, or medical treatments that have saved thousands of babies that would otherwise have died.

What you are missing is the fact that God works through people, God gives man abilities, surgeons the skill to save lives, and scientists the skill yo develop vaccines effective against covid.

It is not faith in man's science but faith in God.

 

This is not true. Vacvinated people are not depriving liberty. It is the reverse.

People are not being forced to take a vaccine but unvaccinated people are talking about depriving men of rights over their own property.

Granted, socialism is not necessarily against Scripture. But why rush there headlong?


To answer your question about being concerned about the lives of people living temporarily in this world - because what you do to the least of these you do to Christ.

This is why I reject forcing vaccines, but I also reject stealing from men.

 

No offense, brother. I understand that is what you think.

There have been medical advancements like the vaccines, medical technologies that have saved hundreds of thousands premature babies that would have otherwise died, heart surgeries impossible decades ago, breast cancer detection and treatment that have saved the lives of thousands of women, in vivo surgeries that has saved thousands of children....).

You contribute all of these saved lives to science and men while I attribute these to God.

Make no mistake, we do disagree but it is not me having faith in science and man. It is that I discern the hand of God using men to save millions upon millions of lives while you elevate this to human skill.

 

I am wondering the sane. Nobody is forcing vaccines on people BUT a minority of unvaccinate people are talking about installing a socialistic takeover of private businesses. And this out of selfishness.

 

@Dave G ,

I asked this of another member and I think it only right I ask it of you.

Again, I understand your distrust of science.

But have you considered the hundreds of thousands men and women who would be dead today had they taken your advice? Have you considered the premature babies that are alive now but would be dead if their parents followed your guidance? What about the thousands of children that are at this moment with loving parents, but would be dead if your ideas were followed?

Is aborting a child any worse than denying life saving medical care to an infant because one does not trust the experts?

What if a woman reads your post and is persuaded to your view about medical science, only to have her child die a preventable death? Would you share in the guilt? Would you care?

Words are powerful, more than I think you may realize. We will be held accountable for the words we speak. Perhaps people should be a little more careful. We never know who may stumble upon...or on...our words.

 

No. If the government was forcing vaccinations that would be wrong, but not socialism.

Demanding the people determin how a privately own business is run is approaching socialism.

 

No. Hospitals are responsible for the safety of employees and patients, but employers set employment requirements for their employees. Hospitals often dedicate time and resources to treat people who are there for foolish decisions.

 

No. The thing is we differ on beliefs.

I praise God for giving men the skills, for working through them, to save lives rather than glorifying men for those millions saved.

It is like abortion issues. You and I are both opposed to abortion - but you less so. We both believe abortion is murder, but I also believe denying medical treatment to save an unborn child equates to abortion. You, on the other hand, seem to indicate such treatments should be avoided because they are products of man.

Have you considered that if women followed your advice about these trusting medical researchers, these scientists, these medical organizations then you would have been responsible for the death of more babies than any single abortionist?