Phillip,
You think way too much like I do.
It is truly scary.
In Christ,
Trotter
What about the nature of version selections
Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ken4JC, May 4, 2004.
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Trotter,
What's truly scary to me is the thought that there is somebody else out there thinking like I am. Oh, my...... :eek:
Have a great Lord's Day. I think I am going to check out for the night. See ya tomorrow night or Monday. -
My apologies to Ken and Skan-I quoted Skan's post and attributed it to Ken.
However, the advice is still timely. I use Opera browser, & I've never had a prob copying and later pasting articles many pages long before, for had any probs with copying a long post "just in case".
Methinks there's some sorta time limit in these boards. Usually I have trouble if it's taken me more than a half hour to complete & send a post, even a short one, if I were interrupted for whatever reason. -
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Ken4JC: "I do not intend any violence to this board, and hope that I will not get kicked too soon. I am just Baptist, I seek to serve the Lord and hope to share the way to a real change in life for others."
IMHO most who feel this way get to where they
type nothing but lots of it.
And here is a fourm devoted to it:
G A M E - F O R U M
Oops, i'm pr'bly in trouble
Meanwhile, us who have to work* all day,
take long 10-hour breaks in posting ...
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out of new arguments they begin to say
the old argumetns WITH BIGGER LETTERS!
Another good dodge is to claim to be an
expert. I know i've been on electronic,
computer driven bulleting boards
(public sector) for 20 years come July.
So i know lots more about bbs than
anybody else around here.
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I've also found that when people run
out of new arguments they begin to say
the old argumetns WITH BIGGER LETTERS!
Hiya broEdEd! Do ya mean big letters like this...
IMHO most who feel this way get to where they
type nothing but lots of it.
And here is a fourm devoted to it:
G A M E - F O R U M
Hey~you should cut loose and come on down, or is it up? I never knew I could have so much fun! -
You're right, Granny. After lots of time on the Versions or Theology or Fundamental Baptist forums to spent time in the COFFEE HOUSE or the GAME FORUM is a good change of pace.
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I make mine SPORTS.
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More truth, Ken...there are some people who believe that the KJV is the only valid English Bible version in existence, while most of us believe otherwise. This is tha largest facet of the discussion diamond here, and inevitably almost every other thread runs into the KJVOism-anti KJVOism "knot" sooner or later.
I operate under the assumption that, with very few exceptions, the KJVOists are Christians, and therefore it becomes doubly important to correct them from that false doctrine. the easiest way I know is to constantly demand PROOF for their allegations, hoping that when they see there's simply NO evidence supporting their doctrine, they'll realize it's false and that they'll drop it.
If the diehard KJVO refuses to yield to evidence (or lack thereof), then hopefully our efforts will keep the neophyte from falling into the KJVO trap.
You asked, "What is truth?" This is more truth: that the KJVO myth is totally false. It has a man-made origin, and by a CULT MEMBER, This has been documented many times here, and on just about every versions discussion board in the English language.
More truth: Neither I, nor almost any of the other Christians here are against the KJV. When the KJVO claims the KJV is perfect, we post proof that it isn't, and the KJVO inevitably accuses of being anti-KJV, since he/she has no real evidence with which to dispute us. KJVO is a doctrine of inventions. Having no real supporting evidence, the KJVO must resort to inventing his/her own "evidence" & hope someone swallows it.
All a neutral observer need do is to weigh the evidence. KJVO simply has none. What KJVO has is a small core of diehard supporters who try to keep the myth alive with a boatload of guesswork, propaganda, innuendo, fables, fishing stories, spin, coverups, misinformation, double standards, ad-hominem attacks, and in some cases, OUTRIGHT LIES AND DISHONESTY. We who are anti-KJVOism have no doctrine of our own in this matter-we merely reject the doctrine of the KJVOs for its complete lack of supporting evidence.
Ken, you can easily verify for yourself that this is truth. -
I'll echo one thing that Robycop said!
Why is it that anyone who argues against the KJBO position is called a KJB "hater"?
I love the KJB - and I really don't use any other English versions since I have a good working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew.
I find it annoying that so many people post things like "you KJB haters" and the like. I don't think I've ever met a KJB hater. So perhaps we could get rid of thazt kind of post! -
Amen, Charles! But I seriously doubt that it will ever happen. The KJVO camp has to have something to cast in their teeth, since the truth doesn't seem to fit there.
In Christ,
Trotter -
Good thought, Mr. Meadows, but I doubt that it'll happen. Having nothing to bolster their myth, the KJVOs resort to such tactics, hoping to distract the readers from their lack of evidence.
Ya know, I could sympathize with the KJVOs if there were any TRUTH or EVIDENCE supporting their myth, but there simply isn't any. It's a totally man-made, fairly modern false doctrine which should be fought at every turn. -
As a group your use of the fortified and unified myth of scientific evidence is only equal to the people that want me to believe that evolution is a fact also. I do not think that you understand that you have made a science out of desire to be right with no respect to the fact of hard science or the scientific method. Now before you get your shorts in a knot and fall off your wall of bovine manure, let me also point out that my KJVO view is a mater of faith. It would seem that unlike yourself I have embraced this fact or ‘truth’ (to keep to the point). I have come to this unscientific position by personal experience, and personal revelation using the tool of looking to God and putting my flesh to the cross. I have seen the also the fortified and unified myth of scientific evidence offered by the KJVO side of this debate and find that they too have missed the point for the most part. If you worship science as this generation has for the last 100 years, I have no doubt that you will seek ever new devices to avoid the fact of your idolatry and will as a MV user seek the new and latest diversion or translation and the KJVO will also look for some new speaker and book’s to end all book’s to bring to this alter of ego and carnal desire in the quest for self identity. As long as we will seek and buy the ‘gods’ of this world the Charismatic Consumer market will keep selling it to you, and taking our time and money to the bank. If you ever stop and look at the source of this debate in truth you will see that ALL VERSIONS come from the same source and for the most part are made for the exact same reason – to get money out of your pocket. Now from this viewpoint I would look not to the gods of science or the popes of higher education, I would seek the will of the Father and the peace of a right relation to the Kingdom of God. For me that is the KJB, as I have pulled back to this sword of personal choice I have seen the look of fear in the eyes of my true enemy Satan the eyes of fear that turn a funny yellow red of a foe that has been cut bad and many times before, but you would have to step up to the battle line to see this for yourself and you are far too occupied making money to buy yet another log to put on the fire of your contentment to worship a false god of science. (Rev 3:14-21) :cool:
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Ken,
You speak of some "worshipping the God of science". I'm not so sure this always describes the situation. If science suggests something different than our traditional biblical interpretation does that necessarily mean that the devil is behind it. I think that what we learn from science can help us understand biblical history better. Knowledge is good! -
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Odd thought to contribute. Hebrew language is very unexact and picturesque (think metaphors galore). Greek language is very exact and logical. Logic as a philosophical/scientific method finds roots in Greek.
When it came to God revealed His Word in great and careful detail and definition, He chose Greek for that very reason. My study of logic and my study of Greek go hand in glove.
Praise God I don't have to rest His Word on a bunch of translators (1611 or 2004) whose subjective mindset may influence the true "science" of textual interpretation.
Example: "almah" in Hebrew Is 7:14 MAY be legitimately translated "maiden, virgin, young woman". Inexact. BUT in the Greek "parthenos" always meant a "virgin" (as in vestal virgins who served in the Parthenon in Athens).
So when translating the inexact, we can word it more accurately with using the scientific method and the exactness of the NT. -
Ken4JC,
I have a major problem with your logic.
You kept refering to your personal choice, your personal faith, yada yada yada.
The problem is that personal experience is just that, personal. There is no way to measure it subjectively, there is no way to compare it to like things, there is no way to prove it right or wrong. And, unfortunately, that is all that the KJVO movement has to go on.
I do not by any means doubt your faith or salvation. In fact, I am assured of the fact of Whose you are in the very way that you stand for what you feel is right in His eyes. But blind faith in something that has no basis in reality (KJVOnlyism) is nothing more than blind faith, period.
I don't understand your reasoning concerning science and modern versions, or science in general. Maybe it's me (been a long day), but I just don't see your point in all of it.
In Christ,
Trotter
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