Featured WHAT ARE THE BASIC PROBLEMS IN LORDSHIP SALVATION?

I mostly agree, but L.S. does not require one to become an instantly mature believer. It requires one to submit to the Lordship of Christ. The best example I know of is a man who cussed like a sailor, drank, used drugs, cheated on his wife, etc. got saved. He immediately quit drugs, and cheating on His wife. He drank for a while and quit that. He still cussed for several years and then suddenly quit that. His heart was right. He was submitted. He quit sinning as soon as he became convicted about the sin. He was not instantly convicted of all his different sins the moment he got saved.

 

The moral law as summed up by Jesus, Love God with all your might and love your neighbor as yourself.

 

There are those who do not believe salvation is based on God alone choosing to credit a lost person's faith as righteousness or not. But assuming the vast majority of believers accept Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-24, then the question becomes our understanding of trusting fully in Christ. We know from Matthew 13 that a superficial trust (Soil #2) or trusting in Christ along with trusting in worldly treasures such as relationships (Soil #3) is insufficient faith. As others have said, trusting in Christ as both Savior and Lord is necessary for salvation. Unless a person makes a full commitment to Christ as Lord (or boss and governor) the faith is lacking. Now God knows our hearts and so if our commitment is total, then He credits our faith and places us into Christ spiritually.

OTOH, a group understands scripture differently, saying all a person must do is believe a set of facts about Christ and they are "automatically" "in Christ" and saved eternally, even though they show no external signs of a commitment to Christ. This view is called "Easy Believeism."

So the bottom line is ":Lordship Salvation" simply recognizes that for God to credit our faith as righteousness, we must go "all in" for Christ. It is the correct view even though many of its proponents are Calvinists.

 

I agree, Van.

Van,
I see that for God to credit the believer's faith as righteousness is Biblical per Romans 4.

But for the believer to be placed into Christ because of that faith, is relying on what the man does to place them into Christ...
Not entirely on what God did for them.
This renders faith into a work of men that God then relies on in order to decide who to save, and not a gift given by God ( Ephesians 2:8 ) authored and finished by His Son ( Hebrews 12:2 ) which becomes the evidence of His work ( Hebrews 11:1 ) in a person.

As in other threads, if faith is the means, then man has a leg to potentially stand on and boast in on Judgment Day...
Rather than strictly on the grace and mercy of God through Jesus Christ.

Also as in other threads where this was brought up, assigning faith as the means of salvation violates Romans 11:5-6.
It mixes man's efforts and God's efforts, and causes God to respect that person based on what they have done.

Whether or not you personally agree, this is the conclusion of the "credited faith places the believer into Christ" argument.
It describes man as entering into a cooperative effort with God in order to merit salvation, plain and simple.

But we know from other Scriptures that eternal life is a gift ( Romans 6:23 ), and nowhere is it ever stated as a reward.

Finally,
I'm sorry that you do not agree with this conclusion, but that it was I firmly believe that it boils down to.
Simply stand back, "crunch the numbers" and look at it from a legal standpoint...

"Lordship salvation" is akin to making a person's performance into a work in order to gain the favor of God, or to maintain that favor.
Assigning the credit for salvation to a person's faith, and not assigning everything to God ( including faith ), places God at the mercy of men in order to decide who to save.


To me, we're right back to God foreseeing a person's faith and then making His choice to save them based on that, aren't we?

 

H

How about Kingship salvationists?

“We believe that Repentance and Faith are sacred duties, and also inseparable graces, wrought in our souls by the regenerating Spirit of God; whereby being deeply convinced of our guilt, danger, and helplessness, and of the way of salvation by Christ, we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession, and supplication for mercy; at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Prophet, Priest, and King, and relying on him alone as the only and all-sufficient Saviour.” (New Hampshire Confession of Faith (1833, 8: Of Repentance and Life)

I do not pretend to defend all that such as are called “Lordship salvationist” believe, teach, or practice. What I do intent to do is show that it is not proper to say that all who are so called “Lordship salvationists” are legalists, though there be some variants of Lordship salvationists who are legalists.

 

Jesus was In CONTEXT telling us to rightly judge, not thst God expects and demands us to be morally perfect, if that was the case, we are all still lost in our sins!

 

Yes, as those holding to it want to get away from just saying that one had an alter call years ago, or came forward at a Billy graham Crusade and trusting that even to save us, despite having no real evidence of a changed life since then!

 

LS holds to Christ atonement in full!

 

I hold to more of grace position actually!

 

I think that you are trying to argue against their theology, without really knowing it!

 

They do seem though to be saying that all aspects of your life must be right with God to really had been saved!

 

We can rightly judge without being morally perfect!

 

God already places Jesus as Lord over all saved, so still be gradual changes to Lordship!