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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Steven_15, May 14, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    When a lost sinner receives Jesus as savior, he is also their Lord, but it can be a gradual process in them accepting that truth and working it in their lives!
     
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    No they dont!
     
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    Your view is utterly unbiblical. First, faith is not works. Then salvation does not depend upon the man that wills or works, but upon God.
     
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    More utter nonsense, either a believer"s faith is credited as righteousness, and accordingly the believer is placed into Christ spiritually, or they remain unsaved. Once saved, we do undergo progressive sanctification, as we mature in Christ.

    Now coming to a full commitment to Christ can be a process, but unless and until God credits their faith as righteousness, they remain completely and totally unsaved, outside of Christ.
     
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    What does it mean to believe in Jesus as the Christ? Does it at all imply a receiving Him as King by faith? If it does, then what is the problem with saying that we must receive Jesus as Lord to be saved?
     
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    One must be regenerated by the Holy Spirit and given a new heart in order to believe unto salvation.
     
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    Love God with all your might and love your neighbor as yourself AS THE FATHER PERFECTLY DOES SO. Read Mathew 5:48.

    Quote the complete moral law. Don't mislead people into thinking they could fulfil the moral law and thus don't find the absolute necessity of Christ's atonement.
     
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    Keep your off the thread.
     
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    Don't digress from the OP. If you can't, just keep off this thread.
     
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    This is a good statement.

    Lordship Salvationists can't have the assurance of eternal life because their trust is in their works of trying hard to cease from sinning and not on Christ who was perfectly sinless.

    Thus their joy of worship is PHONEY!! Their christian life is miserable internally. And their apparent external joy is based on materials.
     
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    True repentance is admitting one is always a sinner according to the moral law (Mathew 5:48) before God and righteous only by the grace given through Christ's atonement.

    True repentance is not deceiving oneself into thinking sobbing sin-confessions earn fellowship with God and thereby denying the grace which alone gives fellowship with God freely.

    The repentance in lordship salvation theory is phoney & has nothing to do with true repentance!!
     
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    Rubbish. GET AWAY FROM THIS THREAD.
     
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    I said OUT.
     
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    Faith in Christ means to believe in the full and finished work of Christ on the cross for salvation! Faith doesn't mean to trust in what you do!!

    Follow the OP or keep away.
     
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    I never said anything about trusting in one’s own works.
     
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    Now, if you claim God credits their faith as righteousness only after
    coming to a full commitment to Christ, IT IS THE MOST UTTER NONSENSE.
     
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    What does it take to receive Jesus as Lord? Faith alone in His atonement or ceasing from sinning?

    Lordship Salvationists deceive themselves into thinking they have ceased from sinning and exhibit a phoney transformation which is based on the moral law and not on grace.
     
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    God saves the lost sinner period!
     
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    WHAT DOES LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY TEACHES?

    "Submission to the will of God, to Christ’s lordship, and to the guiding of the Spirit is an essential, not an optional, part of saving faith" (EPHESIANS, p. 249).
    "Salvation isn't the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it's the fruit of actions, not intentions. There's no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile...The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny" (Hard to Believe, p. 93).

    The Word of God calls the above teaching a lie, according to Romans 4:5: "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
     
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    Also states to make to work out your salvation, to make sure of your election, and to grow into the image of Christ!
     
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