Wrong on several different levels. Not all Baptists dedicate babies. And the reason Baptists typically don't use the word sacrament is because of what it means. We don't see it taught in the Bible. It may just be that you are not familiar with the issues here.
I see people do stuff like this all the time.
What are the differences between Sacraments and Ordenances?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Thinkingstuff, Aug 1, 2008.
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I was once told
If you don't do the Sacraments you will go to hell, if you don't do the Ordinances you will be chastened
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>And the reason Baptists typically don't use the word sacrament is because of what it means. We don't see it taught in the Bible.
If (for example) marriage doesn't set the apart for special service to God and a special blessing from God then why make a big deal out of who should marry whom? If it only involves rule keeping then a Hindu or Moslem is as valid and no more advantageous than Christian marriage? -
There are many things that are important, that are more than rule keeping, that have nothing to do with sacraments v. ordinances. That would perhaps be a worthy discussion, but certainly out of place here since it is off topic. -
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Cars and paychecks are easy to give to God. Been there done that as have many others. To give our lives and our children to Him - that's much tougher, IMO. -
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Marcia quoteth thusly:
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Agreed re baptism, but I'm not sure about marriage: when I was contemplating swimming the Tiber a few years back, I was told that Mrs B and I would need to go through a 'convalidation' ceremony to make it (retrospectively) sacramentally valid before we could receive Holy Communion
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1. I was not convinced that the RCC, anymore than the EOC, is the valid successor of the Undivided Church.
2. There is a degree of forensic legalism within the RCC that puts me off eg: if you don't go to Mass on a Sunday, it's a mortal sin and you're doomed to Hell unless you go to confession and say five Our Fathers, four Hail Marys and three Hello Dollys. The convalidation point was indicative of that
3. My wife would have to be convinced that the RCC is the right Church for us as a family; she is Plymouth Brethren in background and was brought up rabidly anti-Catholic so that's a bit of a chasm for he to leap! -
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Partly practicalities: there are no non-ethnic (ie: not Russian or Greek) Orthodox churches within about 70 miles of where I am. The nearest English-speaking Orthodox parish is an Antiochene one near Dorchester. Also, partly, for me Anglicanism is more...well...authentically English and suits me best. That, admittedly, sounds very post-modern and is probably the weakest reason for being part of the CofE.
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I have to agree with Matt as just one of my reasons that I decided not to swim the Tiber when he said:
Matt Black said: There is a degree of forensic legalism within the RCC that puts me off eg: if you don't go to Mass on a Sunday, it's a mortal sin and you're doomed to Hell unless you go to confessionThat just really didn’t sit well with me either. Even though I agree that we, Protestant/Catholic or Orthodox, should make ever effort to attend Church, still one shouldn’t be threatened with Hell, for succumbing to our Passion and being lazy and not going to Church.
Also, St. Paul does say that we should not only discern the body and blood of Christ, but also properly prepare ourselves before we partake in the Eucharist. Thus if I attend Divine Liturgy (same as Mass for the Roman Catholic), and I feel I should abstain from approaching the chalice, the Church then respects and applauds my decision. Furthermore, I believe, but not sure, but one is really only required to partake in the Eucharist once or twice a year. Some I’ve noticed only partake during certain Fasts, like the one we’re in now…The Dormition Fast.
Matt Black said: Partly practicalities: there are no non-ethnic (ie: not Russian or Greek) Orthodox churches within about 70 miles of where I am. The nearest English-speaking Orthodox parish is an Antiochene one near Dorchester. I would add that the Antiochian Patriarchate (which I’m apart of) here in the US are a lot more open to American converts, in regard to English speaking services only, Americans are welcomed in any Orthodox Church regardless of Jurisdiction. Most of our services are in English, but we do hear some Greek, Arabic and Russian from time to time, which is quite interesting. Since our parish was founded by Lebanese, it’s been some getting used to eating Lebanese food…
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I think the problem with bapitzing a baby being a sacrament is that the baby has no idea what's going on, and is being baptized in order to receive the grace. -
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I have given some consideration to the post made on this thread and have come to a singular conclusion. That all protestants have at least one Sacrament. Here is how I come that belief:
Taking Pastor Larry's deffinition of Sacrament:
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