Y1, Can you rephrase your sentence for me, please.
There are reformed Baptist and reformed Presbyterians, Reformed church in America and one more I may be missing.
But they are ALL reformed. Calvinists come from all of those churches, but none of them follow all the teachings of Calvin'
s theology in every area. Calvinism is really just a nick.
God Bless.
What are the Main differences between reformed Baptists and other Baptists then?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Yeshua1, Aug 26, 2017.
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Katarina Von Bora Active Member
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Hmmmph!! I can't find any. -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Why do the elect (or any other human beings) need to be propitiated by Christ? It is God who must be propitiated. Clearly you do not understand what propitiation actually means otherwise you wouldn't write this stuff. Nor clearly do you have the faintest idea what Reformed Theology is.
Now stop messing up the threads with your nonsense and embarrassing yourself. Go and do a course or something so that you will know what you're talking about. -
And Van will reply in his usual manner:
Did I say I knew what I was talking about? Nope.
Did I say I had the faintest idea what Reformed Theology is? Nope.
You're just addressing me and not the topic.
Your post is just another tain't so.
What I have said cannot be unsaid. It stands unrefuted from the so-called Reformed crowd. -
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Hi Katarina Not to put too fine a point on it, but not one of the verses you posted shows that the lost do not have the limited spiritual ability to understand and respond to the milk of the gospel. When God chooses credits our faith in Christ, as worthless as it may be, as righteousness, and sets up apart in Christ, we are saved forever. Pick one or two of your listed verses, and tell me how you understand them to say the lost cannot respond to the milk of the gospel.
Reformed Theology says the lost cannot understand and respond to the gospel. Matthew 13 teaches some of the lost have hardened themselves such that they cannot understand the gospel. But they lost the ability, rather than the bogus Reformed view they were conceived without it. So some (the first soil) cannot understand and respond to the gospel, but the other three soils can.
Next, Reformed Theology says God individually chose each and every person to be saved before creation. Therefore when Christ died, He died for those previously chosen, and only those previously chosen. These views are also bogus. God chooses individuals for salvation during their lifetime, after they have lived without mercy (1 Peter 2:9-10) through faith in the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13). That being the case, then Christ died as a ransom for all and became the propitiation or means of salvation for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). -
Did I say Christ is the means of salvation from God's wrath? Yes.
Martin you have denied the evidence provided, and then you have disparaged me.
I provided 5 quotes that support the truth that propitiation is the means of salvation from God's wrath. -
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And paul stated clearly that ONLY the saved can receive the things of scripture in a saving sense, as the Holy Spirit has to be dwelling in them in order to have them receive and understand it! -
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God credits our faith in Christ as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5; Romans 4:23-24.
Salvation is the gift of God, not faith, for we are saved by grace through faith. Thus faith precedes salvation.
Paul never says only the saved can receive the things of scripture in a saving sense. Instead Paul teaches we have limited spiritual ability, able to receive the milk of the gospel as men of flesh, but not able to receive spiritual meat unless indwelt. See 1 Corinthians 2:14 - 3:3.
Reformed Theology falsely says the lost cannot will to be saved, but Paul (Romans 9:16) says fallen men do will to be saved, but salvation depends on God's mercy. -
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness,
and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (NIV)
Can you understand that the unsaved (unbelievers, those without the Holy Spirit) have no spiritual ability --because they DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT?
"Thus it does not depend on human will or effort, but on God's mercy." (REB)
Van, the very verses you cite to back up your slant on things refute in clear words your position.
Don't try to up-end the Scriptures. Rather, submit to the Word of God. -
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Pay no attention to the false theology of those who deny Paul spoke to new Christians as "men of flesh" using milk. It is right there for all to read. The things in 1 Cor. 2:14 are spiritual meat, not spiritual milk.
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Were you ever in that state Van? Or do insist you always had some spiritual ability?
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More deflection and denial, more change the subject absurd questions.
Did any of the Reformed Baptists admit to their bogus doctrines,
1) Uncontional Election whereas 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we were chosen through faith in the truth.
2) Total Spiritual Inability whereas 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 says men of flesh can understand milk.
3) Limited Atonement whereas 1 Timothy 2:6 says Christ gave Himself as a ransom for all. -
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