So, here we go again. Are you saying that the Catholic Church teaches that only Roman Catholics can be saved? Christians who are not members of the Catholic Church are bound for Hell? Can't believe this is an issue again!
'Amber shades' of Fr. Leonard Feeney. Fr. Feeney taught that non-Catholics could not be saved and was excommunicated for teaching this.
What do Baptists and Catholics have in common?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Peggy, Feb 10, 2010.
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Check out specifically why Fr. Leonard Feeney was ex-communicated.
He defended a postition called extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. Interpretation: Outside of the Church, no salvation. -
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And they believe Jesus was a spirit child born to Heavenly Father and his wife in heaven, and that you and I were also spirit children born this way before we "came" to earth?
They also deny the Trinity - very vehemently - and see Jesus as a lower god or another god who is not really any different from you and me.
On top of that, they believe that works must be added to what Jesus did on the cross: "Jesus saves after all we can do." -
per the CCC-838:
the church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christians, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although inperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."so you and i can rest easy...lol
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it." CCC, Paragraph 846 -
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>The reason the Mormons don't preach the same gospel is that they have the wrong god and the wrong Jesus.
Will God send them to hell for being wrong because they are misinformed? They think they "have" the same God and Jesus described in the KJV.
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Are you aware that the "Extermination of heretics and Jews" called for in Lateran IV was in the pre-Vatican II context?
If so - how then in an "infallible" context is Lateran IV still "without error"?
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What does Paul say is more important? Faith? Doctrine? Bible?
1Co 13:13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Jesus says:
Joh 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
I am sure the heart of Jesus is grieved by the infighting among Christians over points of doctrine. Points that are less important than the command to "love one another". Why keep fighting amongst ourselves? Does it make you feel better to think that you have scored a point against another?
I am dying of cancer. I believe there is nothing more important than the love of God - who "loves me as I am and not as I should be" (Brennan Manning).
This love is made possible by the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, who sits at the right hand of the Father as our Mediator. This faith is made possible by the grace of the Holy Spirit who enables us to believe. This grace is made possible by the Father who sent forth His son to redeem the world.
This is what unites us as Christians, and what should be a demonstration to the world:
Joh 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another." -
The authority for this Canon is the RCC. -
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From a Catholic site:
Agnus Dei was not happy that I used the CARM site, so I posted it from 2 other sites, one being Roman Catholic. -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Paul did not agree with you. -
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I am sorry that you think it is more important to contend for your interpretation of the faith rather than to obey the commandment to love one another as Jesus told us to do.
Obviously there are going to be disagreements on interpretation of the Bible, as anyone can surmise by looking at the many denominations and churches that are out there.
Why do we let these disagreements to continue to divide us when we share a love for God and His son who died and rose again to save us from our sins? There is a lost world out there, there are plenty of opportunities to do good out of love of God in Christ Jesus. Should we not rather concentrate on loving God and loving our neighbor as Christ commanded?
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."
1Co 13:13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
My church (Cedarhome Baptist) has helped me tremendously in my fight against cancer. They are more concerned about loving me, praying for me, and helping me in some financial ways then by deriding other people of different Christian traditions. They truly show the love of God in their good works. That is attractive. What is not attractive is tearing one another down in the name of "correct doctrine". If I was not already a Christian I would throw up my hands in disgust over the infighting in the Christian world and vow never to be a part of them. -
An evangelical and Charismatic televangelist host of a well-known Christian talk show, who hosted leaders from Charismatics to Catholics and everything in between, once prayed: O, God deliver us from doctrine!
--With that one statement (prayer), he might as well throw out the entire Bible. The Bible is doctrine. The word doctrine means "teaching." Without the Bible there would be no teaching about God, Jesus, salvation or the Bible. What a foolish prayer to make.
And yet many Christians are sacrificing doctrine on the altar of unity. They are forsaking doctrine for the sake of unity.
"Everybody love each other, but let's not talk about doctrine."
This is the most dangerous position to take.
What if I believe in the trinity and you don't. Well let's not talk about doctrine. Is that the right attitude?
What if I am an IFB and you are a Muslim. Well let's not talk about doctrine. Is that the right attitude? -
No one is saying not to love others or that we should be mean. That is not the issue here. But doctrine, which simply means teaching, does divide. We are told over and over to hold to sound doctrine because that is how we determine which teachings match the Bible and which don't. RCC teachings are full of problematic teachings that do not match the Bible; I used to not think this, but the more I've studied the Bible and the more I've studied the RCC Catechism, the more problems I see.
I also see the reasons to discuss this calmly but with the goal of exposing error and bringing out the truth of God's word. In fact, we are commanded to do this in the Bible.
It does not help anyone to gloss over error.
I do think that Catholics have the correct God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit but they add to scripture with their own extra-biblical teachings and thus create problems regarding justification, Mary, purgatory, and other serious issues. It is better to bring these out in the open than to pretend they don't exist. I have no animosity towards anyone - I mean, I talk to witches and Satanists in my ministry - but bringing out the truth of God's word is paramount. However, this should not be done with anger or hostility. -
JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Being "misinformed" doesn't negate their sin.
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
If we really love our neighbor, then doesn't that mean we'll tell them the truth when we see them doing something harmful, such as following a false gospel, even if it means it might hurt their feelings?
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