I asked about people on this board that say repentance is not necessary for salvation.
https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...ist-and-you-will-be-saved.97511/#post-2193834
In this instance (above) DHK is saying that God does not give faith to unsaved people.
What Does Repent Mean?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by InTheLight, Dec 29, 2015.
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1. Turn from your sins.
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2. Feel sorry for your sins.
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3. Have a "change of mind" about Jesus.
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4. Feel sorry for your sins and turn from your sins.
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5. Feel sorry for your sins, resolve to quit sinning, and endeavor to live a more upright life.
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6. Other (explain)
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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“Turn from your sins and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not turn from their sins
“The kingdom of God has come near. Turn from your sins and believe the good news!”.
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to turn from their sins."
But unless you turn from your sins, you too will all perish.”
and turning from sins for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Now place the phrase "change your mind about the Savior" in those verses and it makes perfect sense. -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
Joh 3:21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." -
Isn't it an amazing thing that one can point to one page for proof where he knows there is a lack of evidence and where none had been provided at that point, instead of pointing to the place where the evidence and proof actually exist? It is a remarkable thing, this self-deception!
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Dealing with salvation the primary component to deal with is rebirth (making a child of Adam into a Child of Christ), not sin. Sins are manifestations of our sinful natures. Repentance is not merely to stop sinning, it is to turn from our sinfulness (our sin nature) and turn to Christ (Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 3:3; Romans 8:1-39).
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For the record repentance is more than just its technical dictionary definition, just as the term and meaning of Christ is more than just its technical dictionary definition. The former conveys more than merely a change of mind about Christ. How could a person have an encounter with the Christ of God and come away smelling only like the Koinè dictionary definition of 'repentance' alone?
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True Puritan Psalm 5:5, 7:11 God hates sin and a sinner
Don't be deluded with lies of today kissy-poo preachers who are telling you that you trust in Jesus as your Savior for your sins, so you can live like a devil, and you will go to Heaven, because Christ paid for you. His Grace makes you free from going to Hell. Grace of Jesus is not a license to sin ! Word repent not just means to ask God to forgive you on sin He caught you. To repent means to turn away from your sin for life. How can God listen to your pleas for forgiveness, if you continue abiding in your sin. For example, I am a Christian, I trust in Jesus as my Lord, and I love to drink alcoholic drinks. Or here another example, I am a Christian, I trust in Jesus as my Lord, and I love to have sex with little boys. Think about this.
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True Puritan Psalm 5:5, 7:11 God hates sin and a sinner
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True Puritan Psalm 5:5, 7:11 God hates sin and a sinner
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True Puritan Psalm 5:5, 7:11 God hates sin and a sinner
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But there is a reason for taking that view (imo).
I take the word "believe" or "belief" to be of the same meaning as "trust."
When one believes, it is the same as trust in the manner of total reliance upon that which is believed/trusted.
Faith has always the element of hope, and faith may fail as faithless.
Even the Scriptures point this out that God remains faithful in unfaithfulness.
Trust does not fail, for the trust is not dependent upon the one trusting; rather, trust is in the promise made certain by the one trusted. Trust may be betrayed, but trust remains true until the betrayal where faith does not.
Because such a strong, bold, secure confidence (trust) in the Lord is not a part of the natural person, there must be present that catalyst of change implanted in that person so trust and the expression of that trust as faith may be realized.
What then is faith?
It is Forsaking All I Trust Him. Trust is the focus.
Faith does not nor can it generate trust. Trust generates faith.
There is also the matter of the sequence presented in the Scriptures. The sequence seems to be God first and then the response by humans.
God loved us first - then we respond.
God sacrificed first - then we respond.
God establishes the law - then we respond.
God judges - then we respond.
God saves - then we respond.
I don't recall a place in the scriptures were humankind initiated something righteous and then God responded. There are times when humankind did evil and God responded, but not that which was righteous. There are times when God used the righteous men, but that righteousness was imputed by Him, not part of the natural make up of them. Both Mosses and Abram are prominent in the Scriptures and yet Christ said that unless righteousness exceeds that example, heaven is not realized.
Certainly, one may give that which is good, but good is not synonymous with righteous. And in every instance that I recall in the Scriptures were human "good" is expressed, it ultimately fails. -
Faith is trust, confidence in the word of another, specifically in the word or promise of God, as Abraham had.
Look in Romans 5
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Hope is quite a ways down the list from faith. It is faith by which a man is saved. We are justified by faith. We rejoice in hope.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
The ministry of the Holy Spirit is in John 16:8-11.
--The Holy Spirit convict of sin as the gospel is presented. It is very plain and clear in 1Pet.1:23,
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
--The Word of God here is specifically the gospel. One is saved through the gospel message. He must have faith or confidence that it is true, that it will save him. The Holy Spirit will work in his heart and convict him of sin and his need for a Savior.
Paul said:
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
--This is the only means by which a person is saved: faith in the gospel message--that message which Paul preached.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Faith comes by hearing the gospel.
The Holy Spirit brings conviction.
The response comes from man by faith.
--There is no magical regeneration that can happen without the hearing of the Word of God that some here believe.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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1Pet.1:23 says that we are born again by the Word of God.
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The Scriptures record the word "Trust" in some 54 passages.
Faith is generally related in some manner to "faithfulness" such as what the apostles may say when complementing the "faith" of an assembly.
Luke, is the only writer giving the account of the Lord to use the word "faith" and again the word is also to be taken as "faithfulness."
So, although in the modern church one might want to consider them synonyms, they are not.
A child will understand the word "trust" and understand the commitment aspects associated with that word far better than the word "faith."
So will adults. (in my experience).
Ask yourself if the two questions below are synonymous in all aspects?
Do you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?
Do you trust the Lord Jesus Christ?
The two are not synonymous for the second is far stronger and not open to diminished value of halfheartedness.
Trust is an either or not word. One either trusts completely, or they do not.
Which is why the Lord said "Trust the with the whole heart." Not have faith with the whole heart.
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