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What Does Repent Mean?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by InTheLight, Dec 29, 2015.
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1. Turn from your sins.
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2. Feel sorry for your sins.
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3. Have a "change of mind" about Jesus.
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4. Feel sorry for your sins and turn from your sins.
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5. Feel sorry for your sins, resolve to quit sinning, and endeavor to live a more upright life.
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6. Other (explain)
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
you didn't deal with repentance at all in any of those threads so you open the door to the other part of the discussion my first 5 or 6 posts were all about repentance .
You change the topic to faith and your version of the gospel and we responded and you couldn't respond as brother Joseph pointed out -
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I did a concordance search and found no "doctrine" (teaching) on repentance in Paul's Epistles (Apostle to the Gentiles).
I can clearly see the need for repentance on the part of Israel, starting with John the Baptist. In the case of Israel, it was necessary to "repent and be baptized" in order for God's Kingdom to be established on the earth. [see Isa 60-62]
Since I am not an Israelite, the teaching of "repentance" is not applicable to me; it is "for information only" (concerning Israel/Israelites).
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-9
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Col 1:12-13 It's a "done deal". -
There is no way that a person has had a true 'change of mind' about YHWH in the flesh and hasn't turned from sin, note Matthew 11:25ff where Jesus only reveals Himself to whom He wills and then they are invited, and accept His yoke and burden which includes freedom from sin. Those who know the Father and the Son (the biblical language here) are released of their former bondage, sin, because God has brought them to repentance, (note Romans 2:4) now their yoke is freedom from that from which God turned them, John 8:31-36. It's what He came to save His people from, Mt. 1:21. It is highly doubtful any person has experienced true conversion and has not been turned from sin, I Thess. 1; Acts 2:38ff.
Note the following Scriptures:
This speaks of the converted: 'So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.' Romans 6:11. This shows the change of mind about Christ which has caused one to turn from his lifestyle of sin.
Here are the lists of those, and the consequences of those, who have not turned from their sin but are deceived and their profession is consequently false; 1 Cor. 6:9ff, Galatians 5:19ff. Note the context here is 'do not be deceived' and is written to professing believers. Obviously the casual gospel was popular back then, and people were deceived, still practiced sin, probably had a change of mind about who Jesus was, mental assent to facts, but their lifestyles denied genuine conversion.
Is it any wonder that with the false message of repentance, and people guaranteed heaven, knowing there need be no change of mind about sin, which to them is interpreted license, continue on that path which He came to save them from? Or, ever wonder why we have the bumper crop of false professions of faith along with the telling evidence of false conversion that comes with it?
People are saying here that it is merely 'a change of mind' in the understanding of Christ, His office, His Person etc.
Here is that change described:
And he said to man, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’” Job 28:28
I don't know how any assume that a change in mind of who the Christ of God is, mitigate that down to something insignificant which involves no change of path, or, no repentance of their sin. This ideology shows that there is no genuine biblical fear of God, and since there is no genuine fear (only a dictionary definition of reverence dumbed down to 'respect') there is no change of lifestyle which is what His repentance accomplishes. But we are told these people had an (allegedly) God induced change of mind concerning who He is. Yet there is no 'change of mind' (repentance) reflected in the aforementioned lives whatsoever. Do not be deceived.
This false message that shows repentance as merely some dictionary definition of the Greek phrase is not all that old. But it is a Satanically induced cunning deception. No one can argue from a contextual use of Scripture that repentance is not turning from sin. Again, do not be deceived. -
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But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 5:7 (there is a difference in the two). -
By the way your 'there is no difference in the two' is a false conclusion you've been taught. The passage shows distinction only in recipients, not in message. There is only one Gospel. The theory you are presenting is a newer ideology come down the pike and someone has taught you another gospel. -
How do you reconcile your belief that repentance was not a doctrine for Paul to preach to the gentiles as he did not not mention it in his epistles with this, "21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens (he is addressing the Greeks), I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious....30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." (Acts 17:21,22,30, 31)
Verses 21 and 22 show he was addressing the Greeks, verse 30 he tells them God has commanded repentance, and verse 31 shows the reason repentance is commanded is because of judgment for the last day. This proves repentance is a doctrine to be preached to the gentiles as well as the Jew, therefore we see Paul did preach repentance to the unconverted gentiles, but the reason it is not mentioned in his epistles is because he was writing to those already converted.
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As Bro Int theologian has already pointed out those churches in the epistles of Paul were already regenerated church members who had repented and placed faith in the gospel after hearing it preached. Also, that continuing ongoing repentance is still needed by a believer is seen in the Corinth epistle, "For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner..." (2 Cor 7:8-9).
Notice here Paul made those at Coritnth sorrowful leading to repentance by his written epistle, "though I made you sorry with a letter..."
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Now, I happened to differ from some on the board in that I believe the Greek definition of repentance is a change of mind, however that change of mind about how one is justified, their view of Christ's atoning work, and their view on wanting to serve God by turning from sin will surely result in a changed lifestyle. This is why there is not one example of a born again child of God in the New Testament who continued to live in a life of gross sin after becoming born again (including gentiles who turned from idols).
I would make a nuance distinguishment between the gospel and repentance and faith. The gospel is simply the good news declaration that Christ came to save sinners by His death and resurrection. It is an accomplished fact of history (see1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and notice how repentance and faith are not mentioned). However were a regenerated child of God is present when the gospel is preached, as a result of regeneration, repentance and faith in the gospel will always be a response to the gospel message preached to it's hearers. Repentance and faith are sure responses of regenerated souls to the preached gospel, but not part of the gospel. The gospel is simply the good news to His people that Christ came to save sinners by His death and resurrection and has accomplished His work. (1 Cor 15:1-4). -
Happy New Year brother! -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Maybe for the new year they could Repent of this falseness and use a 66 books. -
But we are talking the work of God in repentance and that is His business and some will do just that if He wills. -
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13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2
It seems few ever wonder how there could have been more of God's children OUTSIDE the Mosaic Covenant than there were included in it. -
Jordan Kurecki Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I believe there will be a change, though growth does take time though.
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