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What is Lordship Salvation?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed, Dec 30, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Those holding to it would be right in viewing the truth of the Christian needs to become more into the image of Jesus, to have more of ourselves given unto Jesus, but where they err in my opinion is when the emphasis is placed too much unto one MUST have surrendered over to Jesus all areas, or else he is Lord of none?
    You can get into the Way of the Master, in which one gets to the extreme of having to confess and repent of all know sins in order to even being now saved, as they forget that we are right now fully Justified, but becoming like Jesus life long process.
    And God installs Jesus as our Lord once saved over all of us, regardless if we are into Lordship salvation or not!
     
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    OK I agree with that - however - some "grow" into the realization of his Lordship - or at least I did.

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    Apparently some do or why the commandment?


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    Maybe it's not a commandment.
     
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    So? There must have been a reason conveyed to Peter via the Holy Spirit that they needed to be told to "desire" the milk.

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    That's fine.

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    That is true so long as we are not conflating the two.

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    I wonder if those who adhere to LS believe in progressive sanctification. Anyone?
     
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    Except the command is not to a baby to desire milk. That is a given.

    The command is for the new Christian to desire the nourishment of the word of God.
     
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    Not sure I understand your question. I'm talking about someone who has accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior and has a personal relationship with Him. This was in answer to a question about how many good works do we need to assure our salvation..
     
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    Verse 3.
     
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    Hard to reconcile that with the "Jesus is either Lord of All, or He is Lord over nothing at all!"
     
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    You asked the following, "The real question is how can I do the best with the opportunities God gives me to become more like Jesus and to build the Kingdom for the glory of God." My answer was a little oblique, wasn't it? I am sorry about that. Please let me explain what I meant.

    When we walk in the Spirit and mortify the deeds of the flesh we maintain a clear conscience with God. We are probably praying as we ought and obeying scripture as we ought. In short, we are becoming more holy and more like Christ. This is called progressive sanctification. We will never be completely like Christ in this life. We will struggle with abiding sin until the Lord calls us home. Even the Apostles struggled with sin. That is one thing all Christians have in common. But as we become more like Christ, our faith increases. We believe God more. When we believe God more that also means the promises contained in scripture. Our personal assurance that we will, indeed, be with Him in glory becomes more firm.

    So, there will never be enough good works to assure your salvation. However, assurance comes through becoming more like Christ. Good works, while commanded of us (Eph. 2:10), are not the substance of our assurance. They are an important component, but they must come from a heart that has been born again.
     
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    If I follow your logic, the thief on the cross could not have assurance.

    In both my experience and the witness of the NT texts, one-minute old Christians had faith in Christ enough to die in trust of His promise.

    When you place the basis for assurance inside of a man, it evaporates, except for one condition, that man is deluded or blind to the depths of sin in his own heart. He imagines that he is doing well in regards to the law of God, and that, as I type, instantly brings to mind the Pharisees of Jesus' day.
     
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    Salvation is essentially a relationship with God beginning with repentance & faith in Christ as our sacrifice for sin & as Lord of our life -
    spiritual life from the dead;
    born again as his children;
    adopted into his family;
    brothers & sisters of God's children;
    growing in grace;
    walking in the Spirit;
    knowing his love, joy, peace;
    a certain hope of being with Christ in glory;
    serving him & our new family as he leads;
    .....
     
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    Which of those did the dying criminal lack?

    While WE live, & when WE die, that relationship holds firm.
     
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    Excellent summation. I believe as well that the emphasis is on who we are rather than what we've done.
     
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    This is an outstanding insight and will change my thinking. What better statement is there than having been saved by Grace through Faith we are led by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to be a new creature characterized by the fruit of the Spirit?
     
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    Yes. It's wonderful to me because while we participate with the redeemed will in the walk with the LORD, the onus is not to measure up to a local church criterion of what the performance of "Lordship Salvation" means but to follow His leading.

    And indeed my life was turned upside down from the very day I was born from above. I was in the military and the question was "What happened to Hank?" , "OH, he got religion".

    To this very day He leads and I want to follow just as much now as then.

    I have on many occasions left off following Him and have had more than one crash-and-burns.
    But He always comes looking for me.

    HankD
     
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