Correct. They’re the only ones who have faith.
What Is Total Depravity?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Sep 14, 2018.
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I obviously wasn't clear. I will try to be as blunt as possible.
Now if you want to explain what you meant by certain terms as I asked before that would be great. I'm sorry if you felt that I was being dishonest with you before.
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If the gospel is an offer based on meeting conditions (law), = whosoever chooses to believe, then anyone can embrace it as easily as picking up a penny. If it is an announcement (preached), = to whosoever believes, it will speak to those who believe what they hear. Any subsequent act of the will is a result of believing (already saved). Even if you think your decision to believe saved you, you had to believe (already saved) before you could decide to believe. Or you would simply have dismissed it all as foolishness. -
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22) -
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Batt4Christ MemberSite Supporter
We are described as dead in our sin and trespass.
When was the last time you saw a dead person reach out for help... or ask to be brought back to life?
That is humanity. We are, because of sin and it’s curse dead. We cannot respond to the gospel unless God breathes life not us. -
The bible says what it means to be dead in your trespasses in sins.
Ephesians 2
*Followed the ways of the World
*conducted ourselves in the lust of the flesh
*fulfilling the desires of the carnal mind
Nowhere in that passage does it teach that a person cannot respond to the Gospel call. Repent and believe.
Look at the passage prior to Eph. 2:1: 1:13
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, -
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You're displaying the effects of cognitive dissonance. -
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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You also fail to take Scripture as a whole to produce a consistent hermeneutic.
Jesus clearly states that none cab come unless the Father draws them.
The Old Testament reinforces this, this the reason the writer of Romans referred to it (Romans 3:10-12) Therevare none righteous, no not one...none seek after God.
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Quote the teacher who you learned this from. We cannot make stuff up as you go along.
Name one person who can pick up a penny without the sustaining power of God. The "without God" cop out works with any action.
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