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They do not know what calvinism really teaches and affirms...
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I disagree I feel they know exactly what Calvinism teaches and affirms... The basic tenants of Calvinism is God is in complete control and I'm not... Brother Glen:)
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I suppose this will keep going round and round.
Your statement does not line up with:
John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
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Notice no comment by 1689Dave on
Ezekiel 36 being a direct prophecy to the nation of Israel.
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“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20 )
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That is even worsethen, as they are saying that they reject God as the boss, and see themselves in that role!
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God does exactly this through regeneration.
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I suppose this will keep going round and round.
Your statement does not line up with:
John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
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Need to go to John 1:13 , we are born again due to the very will of God!
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If they cannot see the penny, they can not pick it up.
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.” (John 12:40 )
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Need to go to
John 1:13 , we are born again due to the very will of God!
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Yea, take off your calvinistic glasses. You cannot be born physically a child of God. You cannot produce enough Works to become a child of God...You have to be born of God through Faith in His Son!
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I suppose this will keep going round and round.
Your statement does not line up with:
John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
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However, who are these ppl who received Him, those who believed in His name?
Were it those born of blood, of Abraham’s lineage? No
Were it those who were born of the will of man? No
Were it those who were born by the will of flesh? No
Were it those who were born of God? YAHTZEE!
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Yes, the faith that God gave to those who are redeemed!
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And faith comes from hearing the word and not conjured up from within man. IOW, it’s a gift of God.
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However, who are these ppl who received Him, those who believed in His name?
Were it those born of blood, of Abraham’s lineage? No
Were it those who were born of the will of man? No
Were it those who were born by the will of man? No
Were it those who were born of God? YAHTZEE!
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He just had to add in the very next verse! John 1:13
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But faith ( a fruit of the Holy Spirit) precedes "accepting Jesus", choosing to believe" or any other form of repentance.
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Correct. God first works then man reacts. They have man doing his part first and then God doing His. They conjure up faith and repentance, and then God accepts their gracious gift of works.
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That’s doesn’t negate my stance at all.
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The 2 main questions are: What is the determining factor that makes one say yes, another no, hearing same message? and how can spiritual dead and blind and deaf hear and respond on their own?
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Except for the fact that you conflate faith as a fruit and faith as a gift.
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faith is a gift from god towards His own chosen sinners unto salvation.