Wow, that's a massive misunderstanding, JonC.
What Was Adam Pre-Fall
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Reformed1689, Feb 10, 2020.
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I put this on another thread just now, but I think it belongs here (too many similar threads!)
Colossians 3:10 came to mind.
'.....And have put on the new man [NASB 'self'] who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.' [Ephesians 4:24 is similar]
This is speaking of Christians and they are being renewed or renovated so that they are made like God, according to His image., in accordance with how God made man in the beginning. So Adam and Eve were given the true knowledge of God when they were created, and this knowledge is restored to believers. Therefore it must have been lost at the Fall. -
Another issue is the Tree of Life.
This is a reason I believe Adam did not possess spiritual life (I associate the Tree of Life with spiritual life). Had Adam "eaten" of this tree he would have everlasting life.
So I view Adam as created flesh (with a human spirit Scripture calls "the flesh" in the NT). Adam could freely eat of the Tree of Life or disobey and eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam was tempted by his desires and transgressed God's command. Sin is the reason Adam was separated from the Tree of Life. Had Adam eaten of that tree he would not have eaten of the other (whoever eats of the Tree of Life has everlasting life). -
I tend to think of Adam as created innocent with a human spirit. There are two choices - death and life. Adam chose death.
I think when we create these expansive narratives we miss the point of Scripture and allow theory to trump what Scripture is telling us. -
Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
JonShaff,
Hello JonS....how have you been?
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
It is not about Adam as far as his spirit is concerned.
First a physical body, then a spiritual body
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Speaking of Adam first having a physical body, then a spiritual body.
Verse 44 is very clear. Did you not read this verse? -
The reason I am asking is not that I do not understand the verse but that I understand the verse as typically interpreted by Christian commentators to be dealing with the order of resurrection. The body which is sown is not the body which is to be. The body is sown a natural body and is raised a spiritual body. The first man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam became a life giving spirit. The spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.
I have not encountered the interpretation that you offer. I am sure that your interpretation is extraordinarily clear to you, but as it departs from the normal reading of the passage I am asking you how you arrive at your conclusion.
In this passage you view the "last Adam" which became "a life giving spirit" to Adam rather than Christ. What I am suggesting is that you may be viewing this verse through a formed theory and twisting what the verse is saying to suit your philosophy rather than holding to what is actually in Scripture. Since you depart from the normal reading and from most (all that I know of) Christian interpretations of this passage I think it reasonable to ask how you arrive at your interpretation. -
InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
#5. YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCTRINES OF GRACE; -
I never claimed to be the most astute fella. But I know which end of the knife not to hold (the pointy end), so I get by.
I do not know why he has to start every reply with an insult. I guess it's the Calvinism showing through :p . -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The verse could not be clearer.
There is a natural body, there is a spiritual body.
Natural first, then the Spiritual.
Jesus took upon Himself a body of flesh,that could die, and be raised as the first fruits out from among the dead
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