Whats wrong with Calvinists ?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Oct 14, 2020.

  1. Dave G Well-Known Member

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    " Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.
    57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
    58 Jesus said unto them
    , Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." ( John 8:58 ).

    " And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." ( Exodus 3:14 ).

    Almost the same that @AustinC said.;)
     
  2. George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    Missing the point (intentionally?)
     
  3. atpollard Well-Known Member

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    Not in Mark 1:15 that you asked me to comment on.

    (However, just for the record, I agree that faith produces repentance yields salvation.)
     
  4. Iconoclast Well-Known Member
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    Not in the bible.Total fabrication
     
  5. atpollard Well-Known Member

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    Just a bit of hubris for YOU to keep telling ME what I think and know. :Thumbsdown
     
  6. atpollard Well-Known Member

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    I can prove any particular translation is not divinely inspired, but to what end?
     
  7. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    All believers are the firstborn from any time on the timeline.
     
  8. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    It seems that you are intentionally missing the point.
     
  9. George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    As God is my witness, only because you mock:

     
  10. atpollard Well-Known Member

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    I apologize for the joke. It was unkind.
     
  11. George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    No worries at all. We are brothers.
     
  12. George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    Son 6:8 There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
    Son 6:9 My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

    Joh_3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
     
  13. George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    No, I already said that you can know from the scriptures, if you read up, and you know I call you brother.
    I'm saying that you can't be deriving your assurance from the system. The Calvinist system doesn't allow it.
    If you have assurance, it's because you're bucking the Calvinist system.
     
  14. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with your assertion that there is a "system." If there is one, it is merely to observe what God says and thus declare it as so.
    Where we disagree is likely in what passage helps interpret another passage.

    Often my disagreement with another brother lies in the view that my brother ignores context in his prooftext, which leads to incorrect discernment of scripture.
     
  15. George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    I think we all agree with that.
     
  16. Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    If you think they claim both you are missing something....
     
  17. Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    Appeals to authority?
     
  18. Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    You've literally affirmed what George said about lordship salvation.
     
  19. Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    this reminds me of when I speak to Jehovah witnesses and they just want to refer you to their magazines / literature and website.
     
  20. Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    Yet no verse says 'chosen to be saved / converted.