The Holy Spirit is not Jesus. You recognize this in your own website. Jesus sent to us the Holy Spirit, another person of the triune Godhead. He is a separate person. Jesus did not send Jesus. If he is not a separate person how could Jesus send the Holy Spirit. You recognize this on your website, why are you contradicting yourself now?
The Bible is clear on how "Jesus" speaks. Read Hebrews 1:2. God speaks to us through his Son. His Son is revealed to us through his Word. Everything we know about Christ is through the Word of God. That is in contrast to the OT (vs.1) where the Lord spoke through the prophets at various times and in different manners, such as dreams, visions, audibly, etc. He does not do that any more. We have his Word.
That is our method of communicating to Christ.
Note the differentiation you are making. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not the Father. He is a different person. And it is the Holy Spirit that lives in the believer.
This is nonsense and an erroneous teaching.
First, the Holy Spirit is a person, the third person of the triune Godhead.
He is a person not a feeling. How would you like it if someone referred to you as a feeling--that is all you are a "feeling," not a real person. You insult the Holy Spirit.
Ananias, in Acts 5, "lied to the Holy Spirit." You don't lie to feeling, you lie to persons.
Second, Love is not a feeling. Love is a self sacrificial giving of oneself.
It was love when Jesus died for us. IT wasn't wishy-washy, mushy-gushy feelings that Christ had. It was torture. He was scourged, spit upon, mocked, reviled, and finally nailed to the cross and hung there to die until he expired and his body was taken down and buried. That was love. It was torture. The feelings he felt were feelings I never want to feel. I don't want to be crucified, scourged as he was scourged. I don't want to go through that physical agony. Many people in the Philippines every Good Friday, try to have themselves crucified. They try to imitate the pain of Christ. Why? That is not what Christ intended his followers to do. Love is not feeling. It is a self-sacrificing of oneself. It is reflected in how much you are willing to sacrifice of yourself for others--like in obeying the Great Commission and going to be a missionary to an Islamic land that has never heard the gospel.
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Whose Son is YHVH, the Christ?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Seve, Aug 15, 2012.
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However, it is unbiblical to say the Father IS the Son as that is simply not true any more than YOU are the same as YOUR Father. The Father SENT the Son.
Moreover, it is just as unbiblical to say the Son IS the Holy Spirit as that is simply not true. The Son SENT the Spirit an the Spirit glorifies the Son.
Finally, it is equally unbiblical to say that the Spirit IS the Father as that is equally untrue. Both the Father and the preincarnate Son share the same substance as angels which is a spiritual substance but The Holy Spirit shares the same spiritual substance and yet is distinct from both the Father and the Son.
When you claim that they are all the SAME you are denying the God of the Bible who is a PLURAL God as the Hebrew Elohim is a PLURAL noun. In Hebrew there is a singular = one; there is a dual = two; there is a plural = three or more. Elohim is a PLURAL noun translated "God" and yet it is used with singular verbs and PLURAL pronouns as in Genesis 1:1 and 1:26. -
Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
Titus 3:5, 6 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,
These scriptures show…
that God pours love, Romans 5:5.
God pours the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5,6.
Now read this scripture.
…God is love. 1 John 4:8
These scriptures show that God is love, Jesus is love, and the Holy Spirit is love.
These scriptures also show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same.
“by the Holy spirit” Romans 5:5.
“through Jesus” Titus 3:6.
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Think of why Jesus did not give the Holy Spirit until after he went back to the Father.
We are in constant communion with God and Jesus if you have the Holy Spirit living in you.
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God is love.
Jesus is love.
The Holy Spirit is love.
You are wrong.
“By” and “from” are not different.
Read and consider carefully John 1:3, 10; Romans 11:36; and Colossians 1:16.
You cannot see or know the Truth. Try repenting for following falseness. Start obeying Jesus. -
Biblicist,
Whose Spirit does a saved person receive? Do you know?
Tell me the difference between God and Jesus in this scripture.
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. -
Again.......... In Matthew 22 we read the following... Inserstion are mine for presentation.
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD (?) said unto my (David’) Lord (YHVH), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Questions remain unanswered…
1) If David’ Lord in the Old Testament was YHVH (Adonai)…. who’s was the LORD who ask David’s Lord to sit down on his right hand until He put His enemies in His footstool?
Revelation 3
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
After Jesus resurrection.....who's this God, the Lord was referring to as his God?
Conclusion:
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate persons, and yet one God. They are co-eternal, co-existent, co-equal. They are separate and distinct beings, each one being a person separate from the other with different roles to play, and yet those three being one God.
"I am the Lord, saith Jehovah, before me there was no God formed, after me there shall no God be formed. I am the Lord and beside me there is no savior."
--There is only one God. He is an eternal triune being. He exists in three persons. Neither of those persons were ever created.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
--The trinity is referred to back here in Creation when this one singular God is referred to in the plural. The us that God is referring to is the Father, Son, and Spirit.
Jesus is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. He was before creation. He is eternal.
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
--The phrase means without end. He is without beginning, eternal.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
--He has no beginning and he has no ending. He is eternal.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
--These expressions speak to his immortality, eternality.
1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
God spoke His Word came forth. Jesus is the Word of God. Everything was made for Jesus and by Jesus and through Jesus.
--He alone has immortality. The word immortality, used in this sense, means eternality, that is existing from eternity past to eternity present--without beginning and without end. He is not a created being.
To deny this is to deny Scripture.
CHRIST ONLY HATH IMMORTALITY
He is not a created being
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You want everyone to answer your questions and obections but up to this point you have ignored all questions and objections I have posted for you? Do you live on a one way street or is this a debate???
You are wrong about the use of YHVH as Isaian 44:6 and many other scriptures prove. It is used for the Father as much as the Son and in other passages it is used for the Holy Spirit or all three divine Persons.
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Explain to me how they can be the same when you claim one created the other????? -
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God came as a man, Jesus; Jesus was with God in the beginning. Jesus existed with God in the beginning.
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You misunderstand much.
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The Sin became Jesus when he incarnated, and will now be forever the God/Man Yeshua! -
Do you think that Jesus can live as a man inside people? Do you think that is what I am saying? -
The Son became Jesus when he came to earth as a man, but where do you get that Jesus is still a man, a human? Please show me scripture. -
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