Why I am KJV Only

Yes, this is very true and might I also add that the Hebrew did not have vowels until they were added by the Messorites (sp?) in about the 3rd century. We do not have any idea exactly what God's real name is: "Yahweh" is simply what we think it might be. Hebrew scholars correct me if I am wrong by the only thing we have is "YWH".

The jews would not repeat the name for reverence sake because they were afraid of God. To this day, orthodox Jews will write God as G-D. I am getting one of their newsletters so that I can study them and I can forward one to anyone who wants to see it. Or I will put the website up on this board.

Since I do not have my interlinear Old Testament here, let me give you an example of how a verse with Word-for-Word translation would look in Hebrew (except I am using the Greek sentence structure rather than the Hebrew.) But, you can get the idea how translation cannot maintain "words".

Revelation 2:22:

"WSNDDNTCMMTNRWSFNDGLNTMTHFHM"

If you want Word for word translation that is it (except for the use of Greek sentence structure instead of Hebrew. But, this can give you the idea. :eek:

 

This is the reason we rely on newer texts created from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek which are made using "textual criticism", even in the Hebrew and Greek languages.

 

There just ain't no scriptural evidence that the Bible is preserved in English. If you believe this, how do you explain 900 years without an English Bible. Plus, the first English Bibles were interlinear Vulgate translations, hand printed.

Nobody has yet to adequately explain why "man" took the apocrypha out of the 1611. If there was an English version for every generation--these two issues must be addressed.

 

I noticed you belong to an "Old Time" militant Baptist(I know I shorted it). Does that mean that I get buck-shot if I cross you?

Hiya Phillip!

 

Uh, scuse me GrannyGumbo, no offense here, but where did you get that I was "Old Time militant Baptist"? I'm SBC.

I don't get angry with anybody (most of the time) who I disagree with. In fact, I try to help calm down people and get them to discussing their beliefs and not attacking one another. I would NEVER threaten to be militant.

 

Besides, as a Private Investigator I carry a Smith and Wesson 40 calibre semi-automatic Sigma pistol, not a shotgun.
But, I would NEVER use it on Granny.

 

Phillip, relax! I simply posted your own post to ME from another thread! YOU are the one who said this: "I noticed you belong to an "Old Time" militant Baptist(I know I shorted it). Does that mean that I get buck-shot if I cross you?" All I said, is "Hiya Phillip". You don't remember what'cha say to people? :confused:

 

Granny, I work so much and post in between. I have to read my posts again to catch up every time. Once I sleep, I usually can't remember what I say. I sincerely hope that I was joking. If I wasn't you may punish me. I respect Granny! You are a GOOD Christian.

 

Thank you kindly, Phillip. You seem like a good-enuff P.I. Take care & don't work too hard! (BTW, mines a litewt.KahrP9mm-hollowpoints-to give it more punch, heh-heh!) :D

 

Michelle, Throughout the gospels we see phrase like "Jesus saith unto them". For instance: "Mt 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them. (KJV)"

Question for you: Are those the words that Jesus actually spoke? Did He really speak in a language that would not exist for about another 1000 years?

"Words" = "Sayings" = "Message(s)"

"Words" can mean indivdual units of speech or it can mean one's sayings.

Apparently not. We have an incredible amount of evidence for the Bible, in particular the NT. Over 5000 Greek mss, thousands of versions, and as many as 12,000 quotes by early church fathers... they sometimes conflict in exact wording but very seldom in message. When they do conflict in message, the errors are identifiable.

The basic problem with this argument is that the KJV is not a preservation of any set of words in existence prior to 1611. It was an absolutely unique set of words never before known. So when you claim that the KJV is the preservation of God's words, the error of your own words trap you.

 

Michelle, I had you in mind when I thought of the "analogy" that titles a thread started by me. I would truly like your thoughts. I want to know why my argument that only I am truly human is not as valid as your argument that only the KJV is a authentic Bible in English.

 

You, Granny, are a very wise woman. I must say that I have a high amount of respect for you (and your weapon of choice.)

 

Phillip~my "weapon" of choice is my 66-caliber big gun black Book which shoots gun-barrel straight every time! Bye

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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robycop quoted:

He has provided for each of us and totally reject the KJVO myth and others which seek to LIMIT GOD.
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robycop,

My belief in this debate does not LIMIT GOD, as you suggest, by reason of the false label all here have attached to me. It is the new greek NT text that has limited God, by reason of the fact that they have reasoned, without merit, and with lack of faith (limited God and his ability and promises of preservation) who are guilty of omitting God's words, as they thought the Bible needed to be reconstructed because God's words had been lost, when in reality then, and unto this day have NEVER BEEN LOST. God's words have been preserved with his people since the beginning and (for those who believe it) will be always and forever.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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So when you claim that the KJV is the preservation of God's words, the error of your own words trap you.
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I not only claim this and believe this 100%, but the evidence of it is proof, and the scriptures themselves claim this. God has preserved his words as he promised in many vs. of scripture. Are you limiting God that he would not preserve his words perfectly in all languages? Did God say that he would only preserve them in one language? Is not God creator of ALL LANGUAGES? Does God not know how to accurately and perfectly in his providence insure that the translation of his pure and perfect words be done for that (and all) prospective language? ABSOLUTELY YES, I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS AND DID. It seems as though you reject this, because if you truly believed this, you would not be able to compensate for all those verses that have been OMITTED in the modern versions, and he would prompt you to reject them.

As someone indicated that words = sayings = message, I disagree. One way to understand that this is not true, is understanding the importance of the accuracy of God's words, not only for our very lives and understanding God's character, person and will, but also regarding prophecy. If God's words, and each and every one of them were not important, then we would not be able to determine if prophecy was being fulfilled (or to better state it, had been fulfilled) accurately, and that the prophecy indeed was from God Almighty. Jesus fulfilled literally hundreds of prophecy pertaining to himself, literally, to without the importance of each and every word's accuracy and reliability, we would not be able to determine this without faith and trust in the perfect preservation of every single word of God.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle:

You keep beating the same drum. Can you give us evidence to support your claim that the current Greek text has subtracted from the text. Most would claim that the text was added previously. Originally the text was there and then marginal notes were added to help explain the text. Then the marginal notes ended up being in the text. I think anyone who looks at manuscripts over a period of time would find that an easy thing to see. I see no evidence from anyone to indicate otherwise. Do you?

Now either those people are telling the truth or they are liars. It's quite that simple.

 

See what I mean "VERY WISE". Now who do you think told me that you would answer with a Bible rather than a gun. I know you too well. I knew that's what you would say. Your a good Christian Granny, have a GREAT week!

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

gb,

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Now either those people are telling the truth or they are liars. It's quite that simple.
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I do not want to sound as though I am judging here, but with all due respect, and in all seriousness and humbleness, I have to ask you this:

Do you really believe that for hundreds of years the churches of all believers believed, lived, taught, preached those very verses that have been omitted, were not God's words? Do you really believe, that all of a sudden, God has now deemed these very important verses to now be unimportant? Ecspecially when we consider what God has proclaimed about his very words, and to the promise that he gives all of us concerning them? I do not believe this for one minute, and I have, to the best of my ability tried to explain this.

Based upon my faith in what God has promised concerning his words, and the pureness and preservation of them for all generations, and that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God, I have to say those responsible for omitting God's words are not only liars, but they are in danger of the judgement given in Rev.22:18-19. Do I believe this for those who use these versions based upon the text of these liars? No, for I believe that God will show all who desire the truth regarding this matter, and prompt them to see the truth regarding this, and these additions, and omittions were not the direct result of thier actions. I would hesitate, and really question, which I have done, whether I should hold to a positon to which I was condoning the actions of such men however, as we are told to separate from those who are walking disorderly, and to touch not the unclean thing.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Hiya Sister grannygumbo! Thank you so much for understanding me. You do not know how much this means to me, as I often am misunderstood. Thank you for your kind words to me, and for your encouragement and ecspecially for your prayers. You are also in my prayers and everyone else here also.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


gb,

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You keep beating the same drum
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And you aren't? At least the drum I am beating is based upon God's promises and truth in the scriptures. What is your stance based on?

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle