From the OP source:
If this is an example of someone they determined died from lack of insurance, this study is useless.
Hannum made a conscious decision not to carry insurance for many years. His fault.
He refused to go to the ER. His fault.
He finally went to the ER. By the time he was admitted for surgery, he died. His fault. This indicates he was scheduled for surgery without regard to his lack of insurance. That's the law.
It appears Hannum died from a ruptured appendix complicated by terminal headedness and stupidity. Not because he had no insurance.
Why I Support Universal Healthcare Coverage
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Magnetic Poles, Sep 18, 2009.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4367132,00.html
How thousands of cancer patients and doctors have been betrayed
25,000 deaths a year could be prevented if we matched Europe's best hospital treatment, reports health editor Anthony Browne
SocietyGuardian.co.uk
Sunday March 3, 2002
The official limit is 315 a year, or a maximum of six in one week. Medical authorities have decreed that, if a cancer doctor sees any more new patients than that, it could endanger their health - the doctor simply will not have enough time to ensure they get the care they need.
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It's the biggest health scandal in modern Britain: according to a World Health Organisation report to be published later this year, around 10,000 British people die unnecessarily from cancer each year - three times as many as are killed on our roads. If Britain had the same services as the best available in Europe, it would save 25,000 lives a year - the population of a small town.
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For thousands, delaying treatment makes the difference between life and death. A recent Glasgow study of patients waiting seven weeks for radiotherapy found that for one in five lung cancer patients the delays meant curable disease becoming incurable.
Sometimes patients may be denied treatment. Although lung cancer is the most commonly diag nosed cancer in Britain, with 40,000 new cases a year, only 100 surgeons can remove tumours. A study last week by the Society of Cardiothoracic Surgeons found fewer than one in 10 lung-cancer patients was receiving surgery, compared to one in four in the US ... -
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As to teaching Algebra to a Chihuahua, I believe that noble little dog has more sense and reasoning capability than most of these righties. -
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
I believe you to be the liar, bub. Denying yer own words.
If you don't like me throwing them back at you, why don't you stick to those "friendly" atheist sites ? -
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
I have a great life. You wouldn't believe it. A lot of folks would love to be in my shoes. As far as infatuation, I fight evil when I see it, and you post it up a whole bunch.
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One thing you and your fellow travelers fail to consider that a substantial number of doctors [I believe about 45%.] have said they will give up practice if the Government takes over health care. -
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Until you do that, you don't care about making healthcare affordable to the poor. You just want a liberal government power grab. -
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
And if you tell us the government won't take over care, you are the liar. That, along with your other lies. And the fact that you tell us chihuahuas are smarter, Christ made terrorist threats, AND my pastor belongs to the KKK, and never backing them up make you the troll. -
The falacy greater than the one that people die because they don't have health insurance is that somehow the government can solve the problem. The government, friends, won't do anything but politize medical care, corrupt the process of obtaining it, introduce more waste to it, and, as always, tax those who produce to buy votes from those who don't.
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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The government has done so well with the Veteran's Administration and the care that is given to veterans. I really want THAT kind of healthcare.
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It's interesting that a friend of mine is a missionary doctor in the Congo - and he responded on my Facebook that medical care is a privilege and not a right. This is a man who has risked his life to save the lives of those who will never pay him. -
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Originally Posted by Magnetic Poles
...up to 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of health insurance, it points out why I believe universal coverage is a moral imperative.
It keeps being repeated frequently that hopsitals, ER's, et al, cannot refuse to treat patients without coverage, so that just 'raises the premiums for all of us that have coverage.' So in that way, is there not already 'universal healthcare?' Would the net change even be significant? And frankly, it's easy to see 45,000 dying annually because of ignorance or stubborness about seeking treatment. 'Universal coverage' will not make people smarter or more likely to change their unhealthy habits. And I don't think it will force people to get an annual or semi-annual checkup... but who knows on that one? -
Given the long track record of failed government "solutions" how can anyone have any shread of belief that therein lies the source to betterment of medical care? When will we learn?
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