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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    Just because someone is suffering difficult times does not make them oppressed. And no tax payers do not have a biblical mandate to foot the bill. But thanks for admitting what you denied.

    What those people need us some help becoming self sufficient not endless reliance on government which is not sustainable.
     
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    Um, yes it does. How is going without basic necessities not oppression? And so far as "biblical mandate", it's more about principle. Things don't need to be given word-for-word for the command to still apply. If help cannot be given through one means, whether that be because one is not able or because they are not stepping up, then one must turn to another.

    And I'm not arguing for continued reliance, I'm arguing for giving people the tools to get back on their feet. Assistance so that they can get a job, at the very least. That might include temporary assistance with utilities until they find another job, a free cell phone, etc. (Which the government does provide both of those, I'm well aware.) And skills classes, yes.
     
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    Alright, then.
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    The over use and misapplication of the word "oppressed" does not advance the cause but in fact it hurts it.
     
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    Definition of oppressed:
    the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, anxiety, etc
     
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    Definition of oppressed:
    (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

    oppressed: burdened by abuse of power or authority
     
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    There's multiple definitions, the one you gave is one. The one I gave is another.
     
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    Sigh, if there is someone oppressed then there us an oppressor. Cant have one without the other. There is an implication of accusation in its use.

    It has been abused in recent times to create a narrative not fit with reality.
     
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    Of course there is, the oppressor just isn't always a person. One might be oppressed by mental illness or circumstances.
     
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    Good grief
     
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    You are missing something.
    Our primary support goes to our brothers and sisters in Christ.
    We treat our neighbors as ourselves, but that doesn't mean we give to our neighbors without reason.
    I suggest you read the New Testament and see what the church is called to do.
     
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    I got the definition I gave in #65 was from a dictionary. You wanna take your complaint to the dictiionary?
     
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    I suggest you give me scripture to support your claims.
     
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    You have created a list of your own design about "basic necessities" where you include internet connection, a car, etc... Basic necessities is food and shelter. These basic necessities are provided (yet not all want that provision and we cannot make them want it).
    Second, you imply that God is oppressing humans by not providing the needs you have defined as needs. This becomes your accusation toward God who promises that He will provide for all we need.
    It therefore seems that what God considers a need is much different than your list
     
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    You keep thinking that
     
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    What BS.

    And yes, those are needs when you need them in order to get a job and survive. For transportation, it might not necessarily be a car, but public transportation. We could def use better public transportation here in America--in Japan for example, most people don't own a car or have a driver's license because they don't need it.
     
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    Definition of Sisu (Finnish word):

    Perseverance and grit against all odds.
    The Finn's, for centuries, were under the rule of either Russia or Sweden. They persevered and held strong against all odds as a people.
    Sisu wins out over oppression every time.
     
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    I will, thank you
     
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    Still waiting on that scripture. The conversation cannot continue until then.
     
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    I suggest you start at Matthew 1 and read through Revelation 22 and observe what God says and what the church does.
    Not only myself, but atpollard, have expressed this to you.
     
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