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Will a Christian commit certain sins? PART TWO
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Brother Bob
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Say hello to the devil for he believes also.Since Bob keeps bringing up the same verses I thought Id do the same thing...
Even if we dont obey or work we get salvation as a gift if we believe in Jesus; that he died for our sins and rose again From the grave.
Can I get an Amen...
Brother Bob
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If you believe in pologamy, then you should join the mormons.
You are off topic DHK;
Not off topic Bob. I am just showing that just as the Mormons take such verses out of their context to prove their doctrne of polygamy you are doing the same thing to prove your doctrine of entire sanctification. The proof texts that you are usiing contradict the rest of Scripture.Brother Bob said:If you believe in pologamy, then you should join the mormons.
You are off topic DHK;
Brother Bob
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If you are talking about the inward part then I will accept what you say, but I in no way I say the outward part has its change yet. I do say the inward part is stronger, than that which is in the world (flesh).
Brother Bob, found what you failed to show as to covering in one of my post's. You say
Our understanding of all of this cannot come until Christ Jesus has it explained to us. We first learn such as this from Paul, and later when John is allowed to write to His people, agreeing with Paul.
So through His faith, the shedding of His blood we are forgiven of our sins. Why is it we go back to the Cross where sins were taken care of? It is there we are told we are dead to the law (the ordnances we are told in the gospel of Paul were nailed to the Cross), and we are dead to Sin.
Let's go back to the Garden for moment. There we see God killed the appropriate animal to clothe them to be acceptable to Him. God caused the death of an innocent creature, shedding its blood to cover the sinful couple. And you cannot see Calvary here? We are clothed in Christ Jesus, and that is what God sees. We are to understand Jesus Christ was made naked on that Cross in order that He would cover our nakedness before God, covering us with Righteousness.
You are bold indeed going to the Father on your own without the benefit of the Blood of Christ Jesus. Without His blood to shield you, you would be consumed on the spot.
I see you are unaware of Romans 4:7, "Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered." The Jew justified by faith were held in the bowels of the earth, covered by the blood of animals, and could not enter heaven. Are you unaware that after Jesus was crucified He took captive, captive to heaven? Paradise came to the bowels of the earth, and was moved into heaven, for now the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ had been shed to allow this to happen.
Our understanding of all of this cannot come until Christ Jesus has it explained to us. We first learn such as this from Paul, and later when John is allowed to write to His people, agreeing with Paul.
So through His faith, the shedding of His blood we are forgiven of our sins. Why is it we go back to the Cross where sins were taken care of? It is there we are told we are dead to the law (the ordnances we are told in the gospel of Paul were nailed to the Cross), and we are dead to Sin.
Let's go back to the Garden for moment. There we see God killed the appropriate animal to clothe them to be acceptable to Him. God caused the death of an innocent creature, shedding its blood to cover the sinful couple. And you cannot see Calvary here? We are clothed in Christ Jesus, and that is what God sees. We are to understand Jesus Christ was made naked on that Cross in order that He would cover our nakedness before God, covering us with Righteousness.
You are bold indeed going to the Father on your own without the benefit of the Blood of Christ Jesus. Without His blood to shield you, you would be consumed on the spot.
Yes, that is only one verse.Brother Bob said:
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin.
Not Whosoever is born of God [his inward part] does not commit sin.
You need to come to a proper understanding of that verse.
Furthermore you need to reconcile your theology with all the Scripture that says that we do sin:
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
--Do you deceive yourself; Is the truth in you?
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
--Do you make Christ a liar? Is His Word in you?
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
--If we don't sin why is this verse here--a provision for the forgiveness of our sins that we do committ, no matter how serious they may be.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
--It is true that it is not the will of God that we sin. But why is this provision put here when we do sin. John keeps putting these caveats in here for the times that we do sin (no matter how serious the sin may be), because he knows that we will sin.
In Romans seven, Paul demonstrates how, in his Christian life, it was a struggle with sin daily.
In 1Cor.15:31, why did he say "I die daily?" If he was sinless, there would be no need of "dying." It was putting to death sin and sinful desires.
In Romans 3:4 it testifies that all men are liars. This cannot be simply sloughed off as simply the unsaved. It is a general statement referring to all of mankind. Only God is true. Only God does not lie. All men do lie. That is the truth in that statement. And yet it directly contradicts your beliefs on Rev.21:8.
How can you reconcile all these Scriptures with
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
No, every one of us sins. That is a known fact. God makes provision for forgiveness of sin.Amy.G said:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The verb is in the present continuous tense, giving the sense of keep on continuing in sin. It may be possible for a Christian to commit adultery. That is entirely possible. But to go on and live a lifestyle of committing adultery, or an adulterous life, no a Christian does not do that. He does not live a life of sin. There will be at least some change in a person's life when he is born again. Even the thief on the cross stopped reviling Christ, rebuked the other thief, and then asked Christ to remember him. There was some change that took place in his life.
At the same time any Christian can lapse back into sin. We are not perfect. We sin. God knows that. That is why he has made a provision for. Someone once said that the most miserable person on the face of this world is a Christian outside of the will of God (or living in sin). God chastens His own.
They don't lose their salvation. They are eternally secure in Christ. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that can separate us from the love of Christ. He has given us eternal life and that eternal life can never be taken away. We are born again, and cannot be "unborn"--unrepentant sin or not.
A Christian does not live an ungodly lifestyle--does not continue to live in sin. He has repented, that is has turned from a sinful lifestyle and turned to God, submitting himself to Him.
Brother Bob
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So, a Christian can be either righteous or ungodly?
Brother Bob
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Why do we have an advocate with God then?
Brother Bob
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I know He never said it.
Brother Bob
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So we back to a "ticket" to sin.
James_Newman
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1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:Brother Bob said:
If we were incapable of sin, why would we need an advocate?
The verse speaks of a lifestyle, not a sin or even sins.Amy.G said:
Peter asked Jesus: Lord how oft shall I forgive my brother? Seven times?
But Jesus answered: I say not unto you seven times, but seventy times seven.
Forgiveness was paramount in the eyes of Christ; at the same time he illustrates that a brother may sin many times against you.
The mistake that people make with the First Epistle of John is they keep applying it to other individuals. That is a wrong application. It was not written for that purpose.
I John was written with the purpose of showing YOU how you can have an assurance of YOUR salvation. (not your neighbor's). We are not the judge's of other's salvation. That is not the point of the book.
As you go through the book ask yourself the question: How can I know for sure that I am saved? John gives many assurances of salvation. He tells YOU how YOU can know that you are saved. It is a personal book that one should be applying to themselves.
I can know that I AM saved if I AM keeping his commandments. I need to apply that to myself not to others. I am not the judge of others' lives.
I can know that I am saved if I am separated from the world (God hates the world) 1John 2:15,16)
I can know that I am saved if I have love of the brethren.
I can know that I am saved if I am not walking in sin (If I am not sinning or living a lifestyile of sin). You apply to yourself. You know what it means. It is between you and God; not for you to judge your neighbor's relation and God. That is not the intent of the verse.
There are many other assurances. Then John concludes the book in this fashion:
1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
--He refers to all that he has written as "the record." And sums it up as simply saying that God has given to us believers eternal life, and this life is in his Son. In spite of all the assurances I have given you, this is how simple it really is.
The conclusion:
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
--This is why I have written to you:
That you may KNOW...that you have eternal life."
He has written a book that gives a number of evidences to the person reading it for an assurance of their salvation. They are to apply these assurances to themselves not to others. We are not the judges of other peoples hearts. God is. Apply the principles given herein to yourselves.
Brother Bob
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Well, John is not the only one who spoke.
1Pe 1:23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Romans 6:
12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18: Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
1Pe 1:23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Romans 6:
12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18: Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
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