I know.
What were they thinking? For shame!
Patron=man, patroness=WOman; Duh!
Sounds like they could use a remedial course at the Institute for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood or a week at the Vision Forum Reeducation Bootcamp.
Women in Leadership (not as pastor, but in leadership)
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by mercy4all, Nov 18, 2008.
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Meanwhile, I'm posting this footnote on Rom. 16:2 from the online Net Bible (at netbible.org):
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That is from verse 1, not verse 2.
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Here is verse 2 in the NET Bible:
Here's more:
Translating that word as "helper"
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For what it's worth, the NET has an overly zealous complementarian agenda.
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and English Standard Version "patron". -
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Marcia, from what word is prostatis derived?
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She was a patron, not in leadership.
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One can be a leader but not a leader over men. I had to answer to my boss at church today - a woman. She is one of my bosses in the responsibility of planning the service. She, in turn, answers to the pastors but they usually leave the planning and scheduling of the service to her responsibility. She is also in charge of all of the women's ministries and about half of the counseling ministry towards women. So she would be considered a "prostasis" but she is not out of the realm of Biblical guidelines of leadership.
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Marcia said: ↑The ESV have "patron" but the NLT has this:
The NRSV and TNIV have "benefactor," which certainly does not imply leadership, nor does "patron."
Prostatis
Nothing here implies leadership, especially leadership over men. "Set over others" does not mean leadership; it seems that along with the other meanings, it implies being a benefactor, someone who aids. So how are people getting leadership from this??Click to expand...
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