Wordly music or Christian Lyrics?
Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by securityofficer2008, Apr 14, 2009.
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Christian Rock
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Christian Rap
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Hymns
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Southern Gospel
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No music...just give me preaching
15.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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FriendofSpurgeon Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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corndogggy Active MemberSite Supporter
All this jibberish comes back to drums. It's the beat that ol' boy here has a problem with. There is nowhere that even remotely comes close to forbidding music to have a beat or drums. On the contrary, hand drums and cymbals were used in the bible just fine though. Go figure.
As for the argument of going back to their old ways... somebody could very well be a sinner and happen to like classical music, professional oboe concerts, barbershop quartets, or any number of things that have no beat and are not rock, yet by your definition, if they listen to it after they're saved, they're going back to their old evil ways. I think that reasoning is a bit silly. -
FriendofSpurgeon said: ↑securityofficer2008 said: ↑I am not saying that music that is contemporary is evil. However, using rock music in a church service cannot be glorifying to God.One, I don't know your definition of rock music. Hard rock, soft rock, country rock, or all rock? What makes it rock? A guitar, drums, bass?
Two (and more importantly), it's a bit interesting that you can emphatically state which music can and cannot be glorifying to God in a church service. My guess, based on Scriptures, is that it is a heart issue not a beat issue.Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand... -
corndogggy said: ↑I think that reasoning is a bit silly.Click to expand...
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corndogggy Active MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑There you go with preferance and yet I get accused of bring preference into the picture. Go figure...one of you using preference! Hmm...Click to expand...
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑FriendofSpurgeon said: ↑securityofficer2008 said: ↑I am not saying that music that is contemporary is evil. However, using rock music in a church service cannot be glorifying to God.
All Rock is my definition of rock. The style that it is played makes it rock. Musical instruments do not make a song rock but the style in which the instruments are played makes it rock. A string bass (slap bass or upright bass) can be used to play classical, bluegrass, country, hymns, jazz, etc. The instruments are not what matters...it is the style in which they are played. So get over the preconceived idea that everyone else has in stereo-typing me in thinking that I am against the instruments.Click to expand...
When all is said and done I know that my feet are on the ROCK and my name is on the ROLL!Click to expand...Click to expand... -
corndogggy Active MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑All Rock is my definition of rock. The style that it is played makes it rock. Musical instruments do not make a song rock but the style in which the instruments are played makes it rock. A string bass (slap bass or upright bass) can be used to play classical, bluegrass, country, hymns, jazz, etc. The instruments are not what matters...it is the style in which they are played. So get over the preconceived idea that everyone else has in stereo-typing me in thinking that I am against the instruments.Click to expand...
You're against the drums. You just may not know it. The drumset is the common denominator of everything you're talking about. Take most any style and add a drum set to it and you'd label it as "rock and roll", so don't act like you're not against any particular instruments. -
Hello securityofficer2008
Very well said.
But one thing that popped out at me, was this line..........
“This movement started out small, but now has grown so that non-believers are now listening to it.”Click to expand...
No unsaved people, would voluntarily listen to hymns:
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corndogggy said: ↑Yes you are against the instruments because that slap bass can be playing most anything and it will sound like anything except for rock, but you put a drum set with it, and suddenly you can easily make it sound like rock. An acoustic guitar and a singer is folk music, singer/songwriter stuff. Put a drumset with it and suddenly you can rock it up. Take a bluegrass band and put a drum set on stage and it transforms into something you would label as rock. Take out the drums on a typical rock song and most of the time it would sound horrible. I have played with multiple rock bands and can tell you that the drummer makes or breaks the sound. At our church we always have a piano going, but if soembody doesn't play drums, then the other instruments such as the acoustic guitar and bass guitar just make the song sound worse, but the drums set it off and ties everything together, and the resulting sound would be something you would label as "rock".
You're against the drums. You just may not know it. The drumset is the common denominator of everything you're talking about. Take most any style and add a drum set to it and you'd label it as "rock and roll", so don't act like you're not against any particular instruments.Click to expand...
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corndogggy Active MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑It could be something twangy with drums. Does that make it rock? No!Click to expand...
Show me a video or mp3 of a Christian song with a drumset and isn't too slow that you don't think is rock. -
padredurand said: ↑securityofficer2008 said: ↑FriendofSpurgeon said: ↑I'm looking for a verse tat says, "Thou shall not tappeth the toe." but I can't find it.Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...
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corndogggy said: ↑I play a telecaster... I know plenty of twangy songs that rock. :thumbs:
Show me a video or mp3 of a Christian song with a drumset and isn't too slow that you don't think is rock.Click to expand... -
corndogggy said: ↑I play a telecaster... I know plenty of twangy songs that rock. :thumbs:
Show me a video or mp3 of a Christian song with a drumset and isn't too slow that you don't think is rock.Click to expand...
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. -
corndogggy Active MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑So now you say that it is the speed that makes it rock. From what you are saying the song has to be fast to make an impression and not be boring. So what does speed of a song make people do? Maybe play with their emotions a little? Hmmm....Click to expand...
But, you know, there's plenty of old hymns that I'm sure you love that are plenty fast and people get their emotions played with so don't even go there. -
corndogggy Active MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑Let me ask you this. What happens when a song is played at a faster pace? Is the emphasis more on the words or the music? Some people in here have said that good Christian music puts the emphasis on the right words and does not have anything to do with the music. If you play it faster, does your brain have time to process every word that is being said? No, there could be false doctrine in a song and you could be missing it because of the tempo of the song. Hmmm...Click to expand...
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corndogggy said: ↑I'm saying that very few decent songs of any genre is so slow that it's about to fall apart... except for some old hymns. I could just see you picking out one of those with the slowest drumbeat ever and saying "hey, this one isn't rock".
But, you know, there's plenty of old hymns that I'm sure you love that are plenty fast and people get their emotions played with so don't even go there.Click to expand... -
corndogggy Active MemberSite Supporter
Then forget the slow part... show me a video or mp3 of any Christian song with a drumset that isn't rock in your opinion, something that would be acceptable for church service in your eyes.
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corndogggy said: ↑Then you need to start throwing out all the faster gospel tunes too if you're going to go there. "I shall not be moved" is out for sure, it's so evil and all, especially since it says "I" several times. :BangHead:Click to expand...
Tell me music doesn't play with your emotions and I will call you a liar. What does a football team listen to in the locker room before a big football game? I am sure that it isn't something slow. Why? I will tell you. It is because fast rock music pumps them up for the game. It plays with their emotions. It psch's them up for the game. Some churches use rock music with Christian lyrics to psch people up for the preaching or the altar call. -
corndogggy said: ↑Then forget the slow part... show me a video or mp3 of any Christian song with a drumset that isn't rock in your opinion, something that would be acceptable for church service in your eyes.Click to expand...
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corndogggy Active MemberSite Supportersecurityofficer2008 said: ↑Tell me music doesn't play with your emotions and I will call you a liar.Click to expand...
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