The reason it started being associated with the modern style of music is because a DJ named Alan Freed wanted a term to call this new modern R&B music for black folks instead of calling it "race music" like the record execs did. I imagine he got that term because blacks had been using that term in their songs, including gospel, for decades. When you've got a DJ using that term across the airwaves, it will spread pretty quickly. You can't say the term originated in the 50's because there are examples of the term used in recorded songs well before that.
Calling a genre "rock and roll" anymore though, is pretty dorky. :) Just call it rock like everybody else in the modern world.
Wordly music or Christian Lyrics?
Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by securityofficer2008, Apr 14, 2009.
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Christian Rap
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Hymns
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Southern Gospel
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No music...just give me preaching
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corndogggy Active MemberSite Supporter
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I've been listening to Sons of Korah on Youtube. The lyrics to this song is Psalm 117 in its entirity. Again, all the lyrics are Psalm 117. Would it be appropriate in a worship setting? -
Thought it was kinda funny that some thought "Who am I" by Casting Crowns was inapropriate because it was about self when it come from the Psalms.
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Uh...you rarely hear modern or contemporary music described as "Rock and Roll" anymore. The original 50s R&R has morphed and split into several genres. Also, interesting stuff on Wikipedia, shows the term was even used in a religious context. From HERE.
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"Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand." Rom 14:4 -
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
I am aloud to judge righteous judgment. However, I am saying that this music is not to be used in church services. I am not saying that in someones life they cannot listen to it. That is up to them. There are alot of things that are done in the name of Christianity that are not Christian. Many things have been sown into the Scriptures instead of taking the Scriptures and using it literally and applying the principles from the Scriptures. -
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This is quite the problematic post. Any Scripture to back this up?
So...are you implying that this music is not of God? I would be careful. Jesus was very harsh on the folks that referred to works He did as the devil's work. Hint: the word He used started with a "B," and ended with "lasphemy." I'm hesitant to get into that realm. I'm not saying you are doing that...but that's something Christ was pretty strong about.
And, we keep coming back to: exactly what music is it that cannot be used in church services? Is it a no-no if there are drums at all? How about a guitar? Electric bass? What if the tempo is over 86? How about 3/4 time? 6/8? 5/4? What you call "contemporary," I might call "traditional." And as I've said...what we now consider wonderful church music was once considered scandalous (i.e., polyphonic singing, or "4-part singing").
Should we carefully evaluate what we use in worship? Absolutely. But there's light years of difference between carefully evaluating and praying over music, and dismissing an entire genre (which is not even concretely definable).
I grew up being told of the evils of the "rock beat." I went to several seminars by folks such as Bill Gothard. Looking back, I now realize the scope of the urban legends passed off as fact. Instead of teaching me to evaluate the text, theology, etc., of the music, they taught me for a while to condemn things God was using...doing so with a cup of pharasaism, two teaspoons of bad science, a dash of outright lies, a cup of urban legends, and 8 oz. of ignorance of music. Thankfully, I've learned to evaluate...but from a perspective that is much more accurate. -
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Also, I am not speaking blasphemy. What I was saying was that there are many beliefs about God, but not all of them are right (i.e. mormonism vs. Orthodox Christianity just to name one). Mormonism says that it does many things in the name of God, but is it of God? No, to say so would go against the Scriptures. Again, many things are done in the name Christianity but they are not all of Christ. Therefore, all things that claim to be Christian are not necessarily Christian. Hence, some music might call itself Christian, but it is not Christian. -
I can turn right around and say that the bashing of my beliefs is "not Christian" too. Some of you have said that hymns are so old that they have lost their pull in the church services. How's that for bashing my beliefs? Some people have said that CCM is going to be in Heaven and that David has a rock band in Heaven. How's that for blasphemy? That is not Christian. You do not comment on that being "not Christian" but you attack me for bashing CCM by saying that what I say is not Christian. -
As to what music will be in Heaven, I don't think any of us knows. We'll just have to wait and see. I can tell you that all of us will be happy with the choice of music :). -
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And another thing....We are created in the image of God and we have preferences in the styles of music that we like. Therefore, don't you think that God has a preference in the style of music that he likes. Remember, He is the "same yesterday, today, and forever." So if God still has the same preference in music, don't you think that rock music is out of the question for what God likes (remember that rock music was brought about in the 20th century). -
Security Officer who are you to declare what music is pleasing to God and what music isn't? You are intejecting your own opinions and preferences into the debate and trying to pass them off with a holier than thou kind of attitude. By the way I've heard some pretty good music using garbage cans and other unorthadox things.
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Jesus Christ Himself left so many people in a state of confusion we can't even count them. Most of the religious leaders of the time were completely confused as to His purpose. Why would He allow the confusion?
Just because you or someone else is confused, doesn't mean that I am not worshiping God. You confuse the heck out of me, and I'm not holding that against you! :laugh: -
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