Why is it that the worship ministry seems constantly plagued by spiritual immaturity? Pride, pettiness, backbiting and division seem to be part and parcel of this ministry and the people involved in it. I have been involved in being part of, leading and training worship teams for 25 years and I have yet to see and exception. Maybe I've been in all the wrong churches or had the wrong approaches. How do you guys make a success of it? Thoughts?
Worship Woes
Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Onlybygrace, Mar 22, 2012.
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I think you need to be a "pastor" to the team. You need to counsel, teach, guide, lead and sometimes discipline them. Our current worship leader is doing a great job of this. :)
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I wonder if I am the only person who does not understand what the phrases "worship ministry" and "worship teams" mean? All Christians worship, don't they? If I knew what the phrases meant, then I could possibly answer the question in the OP. :)
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But to help with your query, this observation in my OP is shared in the context of "modern christian ministry" where there is a title and sub comittee for everything. So here I am talking about the guys who get up in fromnt of the church with instruments and microphones and lead the singing etc. I think you pose an interesting inadvertant question though...should that even be considered a ministry and formalised? -
Personally, I don't think that those who lead the singing should be considered a formalised "ministry", and I would say the same regardless of whether we are thinking of people like your "guys who get up in front of the church with instruments and microphones", or a single organist (or other instrumentalist) who may lead the singing almost out of sight.
As for your question: "Why is it that the worship ministry seems constantly plagued by spiritual immaturity?", could it be at least partly due to the fact that the members of such bands are far more likely to be young in age, and for that reason alone, there would be few mature Christians among them? Also, the very fact that they are positioned "in front of the church" could contribute to the pride. (And of course, this is something preachers need to be on their guard against).
I also think that there is a danger in using phrases like "worship ministry" and "worship teams" to describe people who lead the singing; it seems to give the false idea that only the musical parts of the service are worship! -
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It's a good question.
Wonder if anyone knows?
When did stuff like worship teams and choirs start? Was it always a part of Christianity? Was it always part of the church?
It would be interesting to figure that out cause usually if you go back to the beginning of something that now has a problem, you can trace back and find out if it's a probably based in what it is rooted in (like a bad root) or if it diverged at some point from a good root and THEN problems started, etc.. With something as big as this I think that would be the only way to really track the problem and figure it out. -
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However, I cannot see the connection between Isaac Watts writing hymns and "all forms of exhibitionism". There may have been those who believed that only the psalms should be sung in worship, but such people weren't ranting against exhibitionism, at least, not in the sense used in this thread, that is, referring to the practice of having a group of musicians out in front of the congregation supposedly "leading" the sung worship. -
However, they are not inspired, and there is nothing special about them compared to more modern forms of praise music. My like or dislike of a type of music has nothing to do with how a song praises the Lord, it has to do with the message it conveys. Does it line up with Scripture? So many of us have taught ourselves that something is more pleasing to the Lord about songs in a Baptist hymn book. The fact is, if we could hear the original songs sang in Psalms, we would not like them either. Anyway, I have come to the conclusion that the modern music praises the Lord just as much as the hymn book. Having a hymn book in your hand, using an organ and piano, and striking up a stanza of Amazing Grace does not make the Lord smile more than a Praise Band and the words on a screen.
Since I am sixty, and most of the audience was more than ten years older than me, it was a tough crowd. LOL. They really do not like the words that say praise the Lord with dancing. (another thread, LOL)
Anyway, any style of music that worships and praises the Lord is wonderful. It is all good, and God bless those who lead music, and give us special music, because people like me sound like the last gasp of a car horn.
I do have one favor to ask, somewhere there is a web site someone showed me where someone tried to recreate the songs of Psalms using the intruments back then. Psalms 150 was one of them, to give us an idea what they might have sounded like. Does anyone know where this web site is? -
Wesley said, "I am not against instruments, just not in my church."
Spurgeon said that an organ would take the congregation away from the focus of worship which should be totally on the Savior and not on music.
Now music has become the focus of entertainment, much like the Gaither Gospel hour, where the people applaud the performer instead of praising God. When applause is given in the church it is man-centered. It is almost always for the person. God needs no applause. God has need of nothing. He desires our worship, not our cheers, not our entertainment.
There may be some latitude in different types of music. But, historically there was no such thing as "worship teams." All are commanded to worship. -
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How did the format for how we worship together in Baptist churches today get started?
I don't know.
If anyone has any reading material that focuses on this, I'd really appreciate you letting me know what it is. I'd really like to know more about how Baptist churches formed and became what they are now. Did we always have choirs? If not, where did that concept come from? Obviously we didn't always have worship teams, but if music was any part of how Christians met together in churches it would make sense that there were people who knew how to play instruments or somehow led in some way, or was singing/music always separate from meetings? -
The OT worship was done with instruments. Solomon set up elaborate choirs and used many instruments when the Temple was erected in his time. However, in the NT, the body is the temple of God, and worship is primarily done privately and not corporately. The emphasis on corporate gatherings was to learn doctrine and to pray.
In Acts 12 the church met to pray for the deliverance of Peter.
In Acts 20 the church met for preaching interspersed with the breaking of bread. It was a very long service.
The organ was first introduced some 300 years after the apostles, and then it was primarily used by the Catholic Church. It took a long time for just organs and pianos to be accepted in the churches.
Other instruments are relatively new in our culture.
In other cultures (third world countries), they still use some instruments that would be similar to what the Israelites used in the OT. The are different but not wrong. They have been used for decades if not centuries. Where I was they were always used in a very conservative manner. Then the western culture invaded with the advent of their access to television. Suddenly the music took a turn for the worse. No longer was it all conservative as it had been down throughout previous decades. They began to imitate western culture putting a heavy beat where there was none before. It ruined their music, and it ruined their worship. Then came the loudspeakers where the music was turned up louder then the one speaking--an ear-splitting decibel level. Their simple way of worship had been torn apart by the cheap imitation of the western world.
The Word says: "Love not the world neither the things of the world." -
Following Psalm 150 solves all these questions.
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