Just to prove that I'm not infallible, I noticed two mistakes in the above post. :smilewinkgrin:
Anyone care to tell me what they are? :laugh:
Would Issuing a Marriage License to Gays ..... be a Sin?
Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by righteousdude2, Jul 6, 2015.
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Yes, it is a sin!
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No, you are simply issuing the license by law and per your job duties.
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No opinion.
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Other opinion; see my comment!
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Good non answer. I take that to mean either you won't draw a line or have no idea where it would be.
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
My answer requires careful rational thought and a Christian worldview.
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I, personally, wouldn't, as I would feel that I'm complicit in and enabling of their sin and because I don't believe it would be a valid "marriage".
But people are at different places in figuring this out, so even though I wouldn't, I don't think I'd judge somebody who did. -
Where would YOU draw the line and make a stand for God. We know it's not gay marriage. Where is it? -
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
To answer your question Carpro, I need to set the context again:
You accused:
To that straightforward answer you provided this non squitur:
You continued with another false accusation:
As an agent of government:
I would draw the line at areas where the state is forcing injustice on innocents. That would include depriving innocent people of life, liberty, or equal protection under the law.
As a private citizen:
I do not support homosexual sexual relations, nor gay marriage. I do not support sexual relations outside of marriage - period. I do not support the government imposing itself in the institution of marriage, but that ship has already sailed and, ironically, so-called conservative Christians have been some of the strongest advocates for the state regulation or marriage until last month. I am a strong advocate of separation of church and state and understand that persons who have very different morals, beliefs and lifestyles than I have also enjoy equal protection under the law.
As a church leader and minister:
I understand that human sexuality is in a terrible state of confusion and that mainstream Christians have done little that is constructive to help people sort out the confusion in their lives. As someone who is close friends with a number of people who experience same sex attraction (and live in various lifestyles including a married couple, a cohabitating couple, and a number of single men and women - some celibate, some not), the issue is complex and deep. The experiences are not the same, but there is a shared experience of sexual desire toward members of the same gender. Some fight it but many do not. Almost all of them have found the typical church situation completely unhelpful - even those who are fighting to remain celibate. Simply put, churches do not seem to know how to help people apply the teachings and practices of Jesus to their lives in a way that is transformative of their desires. And this extends far beyond sexual impulses, but to “everyday” sins as well. How many times have you heard - or even said yourself - “I can’t break the power of [a certain sin] and I keep returning to it?” Of course, the answer is grace… but not just grace for forgiveness, but grace for transformation. Until your church has a method and a track record of success for transforming Christians, you need to go easy on the condemnation of those who are tempted by same sex attraction. You con’t have to approve of their sinful actions, but you need to be a person who extends grace and demonstrates a better way with your own life. Speaking for myself, I am working both inside and outside of the church in a ministry of grace and transformation for sinners of all types and we are starting so see some results. -
What you are saying is , if you consider yourself an "agent of the government" you would place God on the back burner.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It matters not what we are an agent of. We do not condone nor participate in sin. There is no room for anything else here.We do not participate in sin nor the appearance of sin.
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Tell that to BB. He doesn't agree.
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