I'm not surprised, when you endorse the heretics you have, with their "anything goes" spiritual theology. My bet is you couldn't stand a true New Testament sermon.
And as far as Jesus never rejecting people, that is not biblical. It is people who reject him. Thank God for preachers who care enough about their church that they put their calling over human emotion.
Would you allow this person ............ ?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Crabtownboy, Jun 23, 2009.
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Totally off topic. Do we witness to others only when the conform to 'our image?'
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Talk about off topic. You did not start this thread off about witnessing, or visiting, so don't try and squirm out of it now.
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Oh, I guess it is also true that what you see or do not see is nor relevant either.
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Notice how CTB changes the subject after a scriptural beating. How dishonest can one be ?
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Well, I am glad there was a more accepting Baptist minister in that part of Russia and that she found Christ. She will be a great guiding light to many there in the future ... as will her husband.
I was curious as to what type of answers I would receive. Thanks for responding, even if I do not agree with many who replied. I have learned much about various members of the BB over the last few years .... and this thread has confirmed some of the things I have thought.
Blessings to all.
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Again, I don't believe your story.
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So, can you give us that list of churches that refused Ghandi ? How about a statement of faith from your home church ? I can't seem to find one on your profile.
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I can - sort of - see several sides to this argument. But, to me, the most important thing is that wed don't turn away people who are not yet convinced. What sort of witness would that be?
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
She was not turned away. She was not rejected.
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"We'd love to have you come to our church. Our policy is that the choir is composed of members, but we would love to have you come sing with the congregation during the service. Stay awhile and down the road we'll see what happens."
This lets the person know that they must be a member to be in the choir, but at the same time, invites them to the church and includes the idea of singing. -
Both churches responded wrongly. The first church had the right reason, wrong message. The second church had the wrong reason, right message.
What would have been the proper response would be to welcome her to the church. Tell her that no, she could not join in the choir right now but that she's more than welcome to come and lend her voice in the congregation. That we'd love to get to know her more and do some life together before she steps into a position of ministry.
So instead of saying "No, you need to be Baptist." and that's it, or saying "Absolutely, anyone can walk off the street and go ahead and start singing in our choir no matter what they do in their life.", there IS a proper middle ground. -
The whole purpose of limiting service to members in the local church. Yes, how we approach that person does matter, but restricting all services to members gives a modicum of control doctrinally.
There are more ways to say no than just no.
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Good post, Ann.
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And CTB, you are being blatantly dishonest with your posts. We are talking about allowing a non-member to join the choir. You are turning it into prejudice and outright rejection of people attending the church.
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In Germany at our English speaking church, our landlady (who only spoke German) attended our service one week, when our guest speaker was a missionary from Trans World Radio. That was the only service where "tongues" were spoken. You see, the missionary's wife translated the service to our landlady!
But anyways, anyone is invited to attend our church (provided they do not cause a disruption).
Race, creed, sexu@l orientation, - you name it - will not prevent someone from attending our church.
And the bit about being "a good American first? is a bit below the belt
Once last thought, a few months ago, we did not have a pianist. A lady visited our church (thur our website!), and she wanted to transfer her letter from an out-of-state SBC. She did not start playing the piano, until she was voted into membership. Those are our standards, and NO we would never tell someone they could not attend our service if they were not a Baptist. -
The church I am attending does not have a choir. It has a band that rotates. It would be abnormal for a person to be able to walk off the streets and sing, but I am not saying it can't happen. I doubt it will, but it might can happen.
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"Are you a Baptist," they are asked.
"No, but I do have a good delivery and can read the bible."
"Are you a Christian?" they are asked.
"I think so," they reply. "I grew up Catholic."
Would this person be welcome to preach a sermon at your church?
Should we allow this person to preach a few sermons on the chance that in his study to develop a sermon he may become saved.
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