You can be saved without the Gospel???

I actually just gave you Scriptura.

 

Why don’t you break it down then?


What are we missing in Romans 4.

 

Re-read it slowly.

 

This is false. God has chosen the elect to be saved, yes, but he has also decreed the means by which they the salvation will be enacted, the news of the Gospel found in Scripture in the name of Jesus Christ. So yes, you can only be saved with the knowledge of the Gospel. That does not take authority from God because that is how God set it up. That is his authoritative answer.

 

I did, now explain.

 

While ignoring other parts of Scripture.

 

Are you now resorting to fibbing? Show the posts.

"16 Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4

Your position begs the question, at what point was Timothy and his flock finally going to get 'saved'?"

It's a real plain simple question.

 

So you’re saying in short that every elect person WILL hear the Gospel?

If so please quote the verse(s).

 

Not at all.


God’s sovereign wether you like it or not.


Salvation is of the Lord not your power to believe.

 

Hyper-Calvinist, Hyper-Unbiblical. And you are engaging in strawman as well.

 

Nope, I did not claim that now did I? Strawman argument.

 

Is there the element of 'Eternal Elect' and an 'Eternal Damned', in this Primitive thing?

No Bible, except, "the wind blows'?

A 3-word 'Bible'?

Just 'Something is, maybe, and we are ignorant of everything, otherwise?

That was what was called, 'Hardshell', wasn't it?

Pure fatalism?

Is that how Satan completely cuts a whole false religion loose from any responsibility?

That is exactly what I have said it is.

The EXACT OPPOSITE of The Bible.

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We may be able to fill in the Parable of The Pharisee and The Tax Collector, with their judgments, after all.

We have people 'Guided' by The Holy Spirit that only say, "the wind blows', and THAT(?) is their Bible?

The express ignorance of The Entire Eternal Plan of Salvation?

No need for either TESTAMENT?

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Jesus was already spat on, when He was on The Cross.

No wonder a thread topic can commit the unpardonable sin.
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Straw man? Really?!


How so?


You claim that God is sovereign yet man still plays some kind of role.


Sorry I’m not a Calvinist of any sort. Just a Baptist that believes his Bible which teaches us that God saves His people by Christ, without our help.

 

Again with another straw man. You’re contradicting yourself, that’s all. If some of the elect don’t hear the Gospel then they’re still His elect and don’t need to hear the Gospel.

 

I'm saying, there is nobody that is elect that will not hear the Gospel.

 

I never claimed it is with our help. Show me one time where I have claimed such. You will not find it. Another Strawman argument. You aren't biblical of any sort either. I suggest some Bible classes because you cherry pick verses to come up with this crazy theology of yours and blatantly ignore other parts of Scripture.

 

When?

 

Really? How about children that die in the womb? Or people that are mentally challenged?


Your argument is horrible at best.

 

So, Satan is O. K. with just skipping the whole "preach the Gospel", thing?

 

Unfortunately, you are being exclusionary and not inclusive as Paul states.

The single word that guarantees salvation is “belief.” Those that believe are redeemed, those who do not are already condemned.

Now, do not the Scriptures state, “Faith (belief) comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the Word of God?”

Did Job believe?
How about Noah, Mosses...

Was there a “gospel” delivered to them?

Of course, they heard God.

The Scriptures state of Noah that he “found grace in the eyes of the Lord.”

So then the question must be answered, what is specifically the gospel and was it different to them in comparison to us?

If the answer is no, and they did posses the same gospel, then with the exception of time and place of historical events all can be reached by the SAME gospel. But rather than the presentation being, “God will provide” as Abraham, we can state God has provided.

The SAME gospel delivered to Seth, is the same Gospel that saved Paul.