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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Dec 24, 2018.

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  1. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

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    Might. For whom? How?
     
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    Please re-read my statement.

    It is a question.

    It is impolite to answer a question with another question.

    :)
     
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    You do not know that.
     
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    Yall can interpret scripture via man made science but I will just trust the word of God. It says in 6 24 hour days. The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it.
     
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    Yes, it degraded it from perfection to subject to mutation. Given enough time that alone will doom us according to some. Genetics lowered the life span after the fall, also, right?

    The curse affected everything in the universe, as you know. The earth is so polluted by sin that it will be burnt. Hank, do you think that it is today any different than it was before the Genesis Flood? I can't decide on that point.
     
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    There is the "ice canopy" theory but that is only a mechanical difference.
     
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    I didn’t miss your question, but you seem to have missed my answer. “Might.” However, your question seemed rhetorical. Are you suggesting no one would be surprised?Confused

    It isn’t necessarily impolite to ask a question to a question. Sometimes clarification is required.:Smile
     
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    Right. My bad.
    Yes it is rhetorical. I believe their DNA was modified/mutated and the process of "entropy" was introduced into the entire universe as well.

    en·tro·py
    noun: entropy; plural noun: entropies; symbol: S
    1. 1.
      Physics
      a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
    2. 2.
      lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
      "a marketplace where entropy reigns supreme"
      synonyms: deterioration, degeneration, crumbling, decline, degradation, decomposition, breaking down, collapse; More
      disorder, chaos
      "life is a struggle against entropy"
    3. 3.
      (in information theory) a logarithmic measure of the rate of transfer of information in a particular message or language.
    Obviously there was the added spiritual scope of a breakdown of communications and fellowship with our Father, restored by the Son.
     
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    My school of thought puts more stock in the God-planted Garden and the life-preserving Tree of Life, though the Flood event must have marked a dramatic physical change that led to much shorter lifespans, and a non-vegetarian diet.

    Is that entropy bit a commonly held idea? I don’t think it will bear up under scientific analysis. Entropy builds whenever energy is used, in other words, in virtually every physical process.

    Ultimately, the spiritual is the defining condition of concern for us all, and don’t I know it!
     
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    Oh, I misspoke. I meant do you think that violence today is as bad as before the Flood?
     
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    Not yet.
     
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    Entropy is the world's concept of THE END of everything where electrons slow down in their orbits around/through nuclei

    It has a kernel of truth. If allowed.

    Sometimes it is called The Heat Death of the Universe.
     
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    But, He did it from water, not grapes. :)
     
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    You're just citing the fragmented and incomplete data you've been fed. GR allows light to greatly exceed 186K m/s.

    If you want to look to the stars for the age of the universe, the plenitude of blue stars is among the glut of problematic phenomena for the OEers. Blue Stars Confirm Recent Creation.

    And Jesus didn't believe the Gap Theory, so you might want to abandon the illusion that you've established anything with that glittering jewel of eisegesis.
     
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    If you count the two world wars, communism and abortion, then yes. It may even exceed the level of violence in the days of Noah.
     
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    Well, actually, the softer lava surrounding the tower was slowly eroded away, as any force such as moving water that could rapidly remove it woulda removed the tower as well. Same procss as eroded the Appalachian Mountains.
     
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    DEFINITELY YOUNG EARTH! There are hundreds if not thousands of REAL scientist that agree. If you believe the bible is God's Word, then one must believe in a young earth. It's like God already knew we would be having this conversation....over and over in Genesis, he's references the next day ....and the evening and the morning were the (third) day. After creating each day he said it was "very good", cancer/death is not very good...it was a perfect world. Also, death did not come into the world until there was sin. How can the fall of man be true then if there were millions of years of death already happening? Might I suggest doing some study in Creation Science, there are many. Many scientists that have confirmed a young earth belief. There's plenty of VERY good arguments against an old earth that include all areas of science....geology, astronomy, biology....etc. Very interesting and exciting at the same time.
     
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    Well, actually, scientists have appeared to have pushed light beyond 186 K/MPS in a special chamber filled with cesium vapor. & highly pressurized. Once the light had left the chamber, it resumed its normal speed. There's nothing known outside this special environment that appears to speed up light, and the exact mnature of this apparent speedup is not known. While the laser pulse those scientists used appeared to have left that chamber before it had completely entered it, The scientists explained the phenomenom occurred because the cesium atoms seemed to "trade energy" with the leading edge of the laser pulse. However, the light exiting the chamber was not=quite identical to the original laser pulse, & was less-intense.. (And obviously, many other physicists dispute the Princeton peoples' findings.)

    One reason a physical object cannot go fast as light is, the faster something goes, the more its atoms & molecules are pressed together, so once it reaches its limit of shrinkage & compression, it can't go any faster. The scale of this effect is too gradual to affect our present space ships.

    But in a vacuum, light travels at the same speed constantly.

    And GR reminds us that speed is relative to the observer. If I'm standing besire a road & a car with its wondows up goes by me at 100 MPH, & there's a fly buzzing about inside the car, that fly will appear to be flying at 100 MPH, which a fly simply can't do in the open. If someone in the car opens a window, he will seem to be hit by a 100 MPH wind. If the driver of the car has laid on the horn, the pitch of its sound will go up as it approaches, & quickly go lower soon as it passes me. (Doppler effect.) However, as the car approaches, the sound waves do not go faster thab C. 1100 feet/second, sound's speed thru air near sea level. nor is it traveling at less than that speed as it passes. The sound's waves are compressed from my perspective as it approacher, & spread out after it passes. HOWEVER, THE SOUND'S ACTUAL SPPED REMAINS CONSTANT. Same for light, but the Doppler effect for light is observed by us only if its source is moving at very high speed.(Astronomers have noticed a "red shift" in light from objects moving away from us very rapidly.) BUT THE LIGHT IS STILL MOVING AT THE SAME SPEED.

    God has caused/allowed us to make these discoveries for a reason, and these discoveries favor an old earth. As for the blue stars, this simply shows more stars are forming. There's an enormous amount of free hydrogen in "space", & when some force such as the gravity of an existing star acts upon some of it to bring it together, a star is born. Over millions of years, stars burn out or explode, & from their remnants, new stars are formed, in a way, same as life on earth is formed from the remains of past life.

    And we must remember, GOD made all the laws of physics, & they CANNIOT be broken or changed by us. Six protons together is an atom of carbon with all the properties of carbon anywhere we can go. Any more or any less protons, & it's an atom of something else. This "law" is inviolable.
     
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    Water draining away would carry off the loose materioal and leave the Tower. They know that it is new because there is no sign of long-term erosion and the top is close to the same size as the bottom. Only the Flood explains that.
     
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