Matthew 20:28, ". . . to give his life a ransom for many."
Matthew 20:16, ". . . for many be called, . . ."

In a closed thread we still had several areas of discussion left unanswered;

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I want to start by copying some posts from that thread and developing what was posted.

JD 731 offered this;[I am separating the sentences a bit to have some points of discussion and clarification]
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Opposing presuppositions are more than their opposing view points. Unless both sides of two distinct view points know their own presuppositions, neither can truely explain their own point of view. Some presuppositions are extra Biblical. The problem with some being extra Biblical is when such a presupposion is not actually true.

So I have had a long conversation with a devout Catholic for the past year or so and we have been on the subject of water baptism. They have some things spot on such as the Trinity, the twofold nature of Jesus Christ, the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So how can they be so messed up about how salvation works and being born- again?

I know Calvinist and non-Calvinist have their differences on whether one has to ask God for the Holy Spirit rebirth or whether God...

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. - Ezekiel 16:49-50

1. Pride
2. Gluttony
3. Laziness
4. Uncharitable

And to make the long story short... They found nothing else better to do.

This awesome word which merely means to think differently, or turn around and go back, feeling remorse, has lost a considerable amount of usage in the last hundred years.

It seems no longer to impart the same depth of importance that it has in past centuries, and seems that it is soon to be scorned or consigned to “old school” no longer needed.

In replacement, the modern Grace thinking seems to go along the lines of easy confession, or a “my bad” style admission without the sting of...

We have several Christian organizations and folks in our county that have begun to fly the Christian Flag above the American Flag as the U.S slowly collapses under God's judgement and becomes morally indefensible. My county is in the rural Appalachian mountains, I.E the Spine of the Bible Belt.

For those that don't know, the American Flag Code says that the American Flag must always be flown highest, so these Christians are knowingly violating that.

Would you fly the Christian Flag above...

Someone in a different thread asked me for historical proof of an eariler date of Revelation. I posted the following but, to this date, there has been no response. So I start a new thread on this because I believe this quote of Papias has bearing on the dating of Revelation. If no outright proof, I believe it strongly implies the earlier date.

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The best and earliest source would probably be Papias, AD 130, about 50 years before Irenaeus.

Here is a quote from Ed...

MB wrote:
There is no special gift of faith we all have been dealt a measure of faithand this faith can grow by hearing the word of God. Faith is nothing more than simply hoping Christ will save us.

We are all dealt a measure of faith to begin with.

The above statement is an assertion of universality about humans that the Bible does not confirm. Instead, the assertion comes from the philosophy of man and is then forced upon God as though it were a fact.

Is MB's assertion supported in the...

This Books is called “The Acts of the Apostles” in many Bibles. It should be referred to as “The Acts of the Holy Spirit”, as He is mentioned in Acts more than in any other Book of the entire Holy Bible.

There are some who regard the Holy Spirit as a created being, as did the early Church heretic, Origen, who lived in the 2nd/3rd century. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, as other cults, teach this blasphemy today. Further, the “Personality” of the Holy Spirit is also denied by some, who teach that...