Mancow Waterboarded

[Magnetic Poles]

In an attempt to prove waterboarding is not torture, radio personality Mancow did what Sean Hannity chickened out of. He was waterboarded on the air. So how did it go? He lasted all of 6-7 seconds, and admitted that the practice is indeed torture.

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[historyb]

Mythbusters lasted longer at it They have a modified version which looked more torturous, if they torture terrorist and save lives of Americans than torture good I say

 

[CoJoJax]

Man, that's pretty crazy.

I'm not too big into all the torture stuff.

 

[Revmitchell]

Waterboarding or the saving of three thousand lives? I am pro-life and I go with waterboarding.

 

[Crabtownboy]

QUOTE=Revmitchell;1412161]Waterboarding or the saving of three thousand lives? I am pro-life and I go with waterboarding.[/QUOTE]

So Jesus was wrong in his teaching on how we are to treat our enemy?

 

[Revmitchell]

So Jesus was wrong in his teaching on how we are to treat our enemy?

You present a passage that speaks to the treatment of enemies in self defense and in war. But of course that is not really your true concern is it?

 

[targus]

In an attempt to prove waterboarding is not torture, radio personality Mancow did what Sean Hannity chickened out of. He was waterboarded on the air. So how did it go? He lasted all of 6-7 seconds, and admitted that the practice is indeed torture.

CLICK HERE

I saw this on TV last night and had three immediate reactions:

1. THIS is what all the fuss is about ???

2. This guy is a wimp !!!

3. The terrorists must be laughing at us over this. They know what REAL torture is and they aren't afraid to use it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You present a passage that speaks to the treatment of enemies in self defense and in war. But of course that is not really your true concern is it?

Love your enemy

Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

Turn the other cheek

Go the extra mile


Now to say this does not mean everyone in ever situiation is to take a very liberal interpretation of these commands ... and this is at best, or to be very un-Christian at worst.

Jesus never said in any of his teachings or commands that mistreatment of others was and is permissible.

 

[windcatcher]

Love your enemy

Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

Turn the other cheek

Go the extra mile


Now to say this does not mean everyone in ever situiation is to take a very liberal interpretation of these commands ... and this is at best, or to be very un-Christian at worst.

Jesus never said in any of his teachings or commands that mistreatment of others was and is permissible.

Every bit of that was taught when there was no war on. The nation was already occupied by the enemy. Living with the enemy is a lot different strategy than stopping the enemy before he wins and occupies the land. The war against terrorist is fought with strategies different than regular war.

Besides.... Jesus, in context, came to the Jews to show them his Father and preach/teach the gospel of the kingdom. He came at a time when there was some civil unrest with their leaders .....working against the occupation of Rome...... and it was essential that his followers and his message stood distinctive in separation from theirs.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Every bit of that was taught when there was no war on. The nation was already occupied by the enemy. Living with the enemy is a lot different strategy than stopping the enemy before he wins and occupies the land. The war against terrorist is fought with strategies different than regular war.

Besides.... Jesus, in context, came to the Jews to show them his Father and preach/teach the gospel of the kingdom. He came at a time when there was some civil unrest with their leaders .....working against the occupation of Rome...... and it was essential that his followers and his message stood distinctive in separation from theirs.

You are taking a very liberal interpretation of these passages. So, do not ever tell me you are a theological conservative or fundamentalist.

Show me anyplace where Jesus says war is permissible.
Show me anyplace where Jesus says it is all right to mistreat people.

 

[donnA]

Jesus never said in any of his teachings or commands that mistreatment of others was and is permissible.

He never said murdering a baby was permissible either, but you approve of that and the murder who has increased those murders.

Show me anyplace where Jesus says it is all right to mistreat people.

Show me where He says murdering a baby is permissible. You have no mercy on the unborn who are enemies of no one, yet here, terrorists and you argue for mercy, which in the end allows them to continue to murder americans. What about the americans you've approved of their innocent murders with your vote for the murderer?

 

[Crabtownboy]

He never said murdering a baby was permissible either, but you approve of that and the murder who has increased those murders.

Show me where He says murdering a baby is permissible. You have no mercy on the unborn who are enemies of no one, yet here, terrorists and you argue for mercy, which in the end allows them to continue to murder americans. What about the americans you've approved of their innocent murders with your vote for the murderer?

Your reply is totally off topic. If you want to talk about abortion start a thread on abortion. This is on waterboarding.

 

[rbell]

Show me anyplace where Jesus says war is permissible.

Wow...so war, in every instance, is wrong?

Just wow.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Wow...so war, in every instance, is wrong?

Just wow.

So show me where Jesus says that war is ever permissible. That is all I am asking.

He did say:

Love you enemy
Turn the other cheek
Go the extra mile

Now, do we live these commands or not. Was Jesus wrong?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

No. You are wrong. You are taking verses out of context, and twisting them to fit your agenda. The bible tells us there is a time to kill. Jesus told his disciples to carry swords.

You should answer the question so we can all understand you. Is every war wrong ?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

This whole thread is based on a false comparison. The question is did Our Lord mean to apply the statement quoted to governmental actions. I think not.
However, I'm not advocating "harsh interogation" techniques. Personally, I think they were conterproductive. But, I also think folks were stampeded by the way the 9-11 group seemingly appeared out of nowhere. People were not taking the long view of matters.

 

[LadyEagle]

This whole thread is based on a false comparison. The question is did Our Lord mean to apply the staement quoted to governmental actions. I think not.

Agreed. Apples and oranges. The fact that waterboarding is "torture" has not been established, either---whether or not it is torture is a matter of opinion.

Should one of Obama's daughters be held hostage, I bet he would do anything to find out where they are, including waterboarding. It depends on whose ox is being gored.

 

[Robert Snow]

He never said murdering a baby was permissible either, but you approve of that and the murder who has increased those murders.

Show me where He says murdering a baby is permissible. You have no mercy on the unborn who are enemies of no one, yet here, terrorists and you argue for mercy, which in the end allows them to continue to murder americans. What about the americans you've approved of their innocent murders with your vote for the murderer?

You seem to be saying that since abortion is evil, which it is, and since we should not be aborting babies, which we shouldn't; this means that until abortion is outlawed, every other thing is permissible. If I am wrong, comment on water-boarding without relating it to abortion.

 

[poncho]

You are taking a very liberal interpretation of these passages. So, do not ever tell me you are a theological conservative or fundamentalist.

Show me anyplace where Jesus says war is permissible.
Show me anyplace where Jesus says it is all right to mistreat people.

Ah right there is where the misunderstanding is happening. You still think of our "enemies" as human beings. In order to be a good Christian/conservative/patriotic american today you'll have to stop thinking of them as humans and start thinking of them as the WW2 era Germans thought of the Jews, "unmenschlich" or non humans. That makes treating other human beings like "unmenschlich" alot easier on the ole national conscience.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

 

[LadyEagle]

That's a pretty unfair broad brush you paint with, poncho. If you want to discuss that, though, how about starting new thread.

Thanks, LE