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WARNINGS NOT TO DEPART THE FAITH (HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-39)

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 3rdAngel, Sep 17, 2019.

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  1. HankD

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    Actually it was He who never knew them:

    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
     
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    Sure no one said differently...

    ROMANS 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
     
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    Indeed but those who think they are saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin do not know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:6-10.
     
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    They do not have faith but have heard the Gospel, the seed
     
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    no, faith is a gift to know of the Holy Spirit, it is not result of the Holy Spirit
     
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    Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world.
     
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    Can you have ears that do not hear and eyes that do not see as described in Isaiah and quoted by JESUS and Paul?
     
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    Amen! A shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit, is choked out and withers away is not saving faith in Christ. Only the 4th soil "good soil" was said to bear fruit, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty, which demonstrates that all genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23) :Thumbsup
     
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    Wrong. No spirit, no faith:

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5

    ...no spirit, no knowing no receiving:

    12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.
    14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. 1 Cor 2
     
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    17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
    18 But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10
     
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    And I responded.. Can you have ears that do not hear and eyes that do not see as described in Isaiah and quoted by JESUS and Paul?

    20, But Isaiah is very bold, and said, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest to them that asked not after me.
    21, But to Israel he said, All day long I have stretched forth my hands to a disobedient and gainsaying people.
     
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    If not of the Holy Spirit it's of the flesh and sinful. The flesh cannot discern the true Christ.
     
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    Can you?
     
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    What do the scriptures say and what do you think they mean *MATTHEW 13:13:15; ACTS 28:25-27 ?
     
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    Faith and the ability to understand is from God., where else?

    Flesh cannot sin, we use the term to suggest the sinful state. without God.
     
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    Ok. Christ fed the flock of slaughter riddles, dark sayings. Zechariah 11
    What's your point?

    What God closes no man can open, or, what God opens no man can close:

    25 At that season Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes:
    26 yea, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.
    27 All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him. Mt 11
     
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    Opposite, we have initial faith to know God, The fruits of the Holy Spirits are the result of Christian living,
    We bear fruit as Christians, the result of the Holy Spirit. our faith grows.
    We must have faith in God to receive the Holy Spirit
     
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    ""*Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

    Look at what I'm replying to. Its in response to being partakers of the Holy Spirit = GOD = divine nature

    Read those two chapters in one shot and come back tell me he's not talking about them falling.
    Its all over the place.

    2 peter 1
    10Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

    2 peter 2
    1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

    Denying the master who bought them. Some folks would state Jesus never bought them to begin with.
     
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    Whoever heard such a thing! Cart pulls horse!
     
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    really.......
     
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