So quoting scripture is a personal attack?
I had a preacher one time that said if the scripture steps on your toes, don't blame the messenger, take it up with God.
A video of my girls dancing in church...
Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by annsni, Dec 25, 2008.
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Gotta agree with TT here...I don't see the attack.
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Acts 13:9-10 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
--Are you also a child of the devil as Paul said?
You suggested I am judgmental using the words of Paul?
What about the words of Jesus. I will use them and direct them to you.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
--Does it feel nice to have Scripture pointed at you when it is not true?
The fact is that I am not being judgmental. I believe, as I posted, judging "righteously," according to the Word of God, from which I glean Bilblical principles. In all these pages you have yet to give one iota of evidence that dance is an acceptable form of worship for the local church. That is the challenge. It has nothing to do with being judgmental, which is simply a personal attack. -
You simply refuse to accept it.
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Might as well rip out Genesis to Malachi..
Although God doesn't change.
My proof is in the Bible that God accepts dance.. not going to post it again.. you need to read what has been posted and realize that it is God's inspired word.
David danced.. and tells us to in Psalms...
DHK, if you can't accept that, then I have no other proof.
But you have failed to prove that it is not acceptable to dance.
The burden of proof is on you since this thread was started by a Godly lady that wanted to share with the Christian world her beautiful daughters dancing in worship to God.. and you came on this thread to point out that it is wrong...
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God accepted wholesale slaughter of innocent women and children in the OT; he doesn't in the NT (ex: Jericho, Canaanites)
God accepted prayers of judgement that we would never prayer (imprecatory psalms; Psa. 109:6-20) in the OT; we would not in the NT.
All worship was done through a priestly system (like the RCC) in the OT; we are a priest before God in the NT, and have no need of a priestly system in the NT
Dance in the OT was done in times of military victory only; we also don't have that situation. Neither is there a NT local church in the OT.
Yes, God (though he does not change), his methods change from dispensation to dispensation in the Bible. If not, go out and marry a dozen wives, and in God's permissive will he may accept it. Take an army of men, and under the name of Christ conquer a city, set up the Kingdom of God by force, carnal force. Do it the OT way--If God doesn't change--as you so affirm.
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DHK...
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God commanded specific people to slaughter the innocents. It was a direct order.
God never ordered man to marry more than one wife.
God has told us to praise Him with loud instruments and dancing. It was not to a specific person like David - but to all.
If you do not think we are in a war, then I think you are sadly mistaken. We are absolutely in a war - a spiritual war. To praise God for His victories daily is not only acceptable but commanded. Psalm 150 is clear on that. -
Psalms 109:6-19 Set a wicked man over him. Let an adversary stand at his right hand. When he is judged, let him come forth guilty. Let his prayer be turned into sin. Let his days be few. Let another take his office. Let his children be fatherless, And his wife a widow. Let his children be wandering beggars. Let them be sought from their ruins. Let the creditor seize all that he has. Let strangers plunder the fruit of his labor. Let there be none to extend kindness to him, Neither let there be any to have pity on his fatherless children. Let his posterity be cut off. In the generation following let their name be blotted out. Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered by Yahweh. Don't let the sin of his mother be blotted out. Let them be before Yahweh continually, That he may cut off the memory of them from the earth; Because he didn't remember to show kindness, But persecuted the poor and needy man, The broken in heart, to kill them. Yes, he loved cursing, and it came to him. He didn't delight in blessing, and it was far from him. He clothed himself also with cursing as with his garment. It came into his inward parts like water, Like oil into his bones. Let it be to him as the clothing with which he covers himself, For the belt that is always around him.
Why not pray that Psalm? Isn't it Biblical? It too is in the Bible. It too is a prayer. But you are proud that you get to pick and choose, pick and choose, according to your own sentiments and feel-good theology. Sorry, but that doesn't work for me. Stick to NT theology, and show from the NT how dance is an acceptable form of worship in the NT local church.
I said we are not in a carnal war. Read 2Cor.10:3-5. The weapons of are warfare are not carnal. But they were in the OT. If you are going to go to the OT for your proof, then be consistent in your application and use carnal weapons. You don't rightly divide the word of truth. -
DHK,
We celebrate a "victory that was won" together every time we gather as christians.
Satan was defeated utterly and completely on the cross of Calvary.
In adition, every time a lost person is saved, a lukewarn christian is revived, or a redeemed one passes on into glory...a victory is won over Satan.
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Although Paul says...
So then when God tells Israel to dance.. why do you want to say that's not for the church, but only for Israel? You are trying to ungraft what Christ has grafted.
Psalms applies to us today..
Or do you propose to not apply the 23rd psalm as well?
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DHK,
Keep reading...
It ends in victory. At that point, giving praise with dance would be appropriate.
Just like the victories we have in our Spiritual "warfare".
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Psalm 150 is not a prayer but a directive. Different animal completely.
Oh - and if you don't realize it, we are Israel. All those who have been grafted into the Vine are Israel (Romans 9). -
Wow.. Ann, you and I are on the same wavelenght....that is scary!!! lol
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I probably should bow out of this.. it is clear that I am not going to change my mind and DHK is the same way..
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