I wonder this as well.
A video of my girls dancing in church...
Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by annsni, Dec 25, 2008.
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godliness in the Greek NT:
Acts 3:12
1Tim 2:2
1Tim 3:16
1Tim 4:7, 8
1Tim 6:3
1Tim 6:5, 6
1Tim 6:11
2Tim 3:5
Titus 1:1
2Pet 1:3
2Pet 1:6, 7
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"O For a THOUSAND tongues to sing my dear Redeemer's praise!" Yet five understood words are better than ten thousand unknown tongues.
Now, you get a fella up there who never knew how to sign, and he signs by the supernatural power of God, as tongues were operated, then you've got something—as long as it's interpreted, because the UNDERSTOOD WORD of God is the essence of spiritual worship.
You get a fella who was crippled from birth that goes walking and leaping and praising God (e.g. giving thanks to God for his power and mercy), that THE MESSAGE BEING PREACHED is confirmed, then you've got something, because the BELIEVED WORD of God is the essence of spiritual worship.
You get someone like Billy Bray, a vile (You listenin', Bob?) wretch to both sinner and saint alike, whose transformation was so complete that there was no question of the power and glory of God, who would say "I was very happy in work and could leap and dance for joy underground as well as on the surface," (He was a miner.) then you got something, God's WORD IN ACTION, i.e., a changed life, is the essence of spiritual worship.
Billy Bray didn't dance in church.
So which of these is like the dance your girls did? Mind you—I don't blame them. They're innocent. But I shudder to think of the teaching they're receiving.
Dance does have its place—among the types and shadows of the law (though never commanded, neither suffered in the Temple or synagogue). You have yet to present anything other than fuzzy feeling and sappiness to support it as a spiritual form of worship. Sad. -
Now, if you need to take care of that shuddering, I'd suggest a nice warm blanket. -
You believe that spiritual worship consists of something other than the Word of God? Do Tell.
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Methodology is really secondary. If it were more important, I suppose there might have been some commandments telling us what we should and should not do in worship, but as you have pointed out, those commandments are in the shadows and types of the Old Testament.
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Was there dancing in the synagogues?
Is there evidence that there will be dancing in heaven?
Is there any evidence in any NT church that there was dancing?
Where is there any Biblical evidence that dancing is a valid form of worship for today in our churches? I haven't seen one good post giving any evidence whatsoever. Only opinion...
To demand for one to prove a negative is totally illogical. We don't have to prove that it is NOT a valid form of worship; BUT rather you have to demonstrate that it IS a valid form of worship.
Would you debate a Muslim that way?
You say that Christ is the only way to heaven, and that Allah isn't, (John 14:6).
The Muslim says: Prove that Allah isn't.
One doesn't prove a negative.
Rather you prove that Christ is the way.
The Muslim must prove that Allah is.
You must prove that Christ is.
Again you prove that which you affirm; not that which you affirm not.
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It doesn't take brain surgeon to figure that out.. actually anyone that has ever really worshipped God, knows our worship is to done toward HIM.
It is for His pleasure, and just because some people here don't like dance doesn't mean God doesn't..
Here is a news flash, Aaron.. YOU ARE NOT GOD.
You don't even understand fully the mind of God.. and your opinions do not equal scripture. You are placing your interpretation of Scripture on the same level as scripture....
BTW, I don't fully understand the mind of God either..
Making fun of a woman's daughters because you don't like dancing is wrong.
You have been on annsni's case since yesterday, and you should be ashamed.
Annsni.. the next time you should share your worship in fellowship forums.. that way people that don't appreciate other Christian's worship won't have a voice to complain against your daughters..
I for one am very proud of your daughters.. keep up the good work..
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What I think is contemptible is parading them in front of a congregation and calling it worship. God didn't receive it. But the burden is not on the shoulders of the children. Never did I place it there. The blame is squarely on the shoulders of the parents and the blind guides who taught them to do so.
**I would just draw the attention of those who've accused me of having a "vile" tongue to your statement above and say that guile from those espousing the popular ideology appears to be perfectly acceptable.** -
YOu speak like David's wife.. and God punished her.
Be careful. Just a friendly warning from one brother to another..
YOU don't know what God receives and what he doesn't.
YOU don't have the mind of God.. His thoughts are way above ours. -
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Which is why this debate has gone on for ages.. there is nothing in the Bible one way or the other.. it is a cultural argument.
I am blessed when people come back from Bolivia on mission trips and they show how the Baptists in Bolivia dance.. .every service...
They know how to praise God.
Of course this is just my opinion.
Those that want to do away with dance in worship want to exclude over half the Bible.. the OT.
My proof would be David.. but you will not accept that.. so we are just going in circles...
I can't wait to dance in Heaven. (sure can't do it down here!!! :laugh: ) -
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Right, worship is much more than two hours on Sunday..
We are not limited by place and time.. (John 4)
God can be worshipped anywhere.. Don't pigeonhole God..
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2 Samuel 6:14
(14) Then David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was wearing a linen ephod.
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And when Michal called David on it.. he again said...
2 Samuel 6:21
(21) So David said to Michal, "It was before the Lord, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the Lord. -
Where else did they worship God.
Did Abraham ever worship God?
what about Moses?
Joseph?
Adam?
Noah?
What about Daniel in Babylon?
Why do you limit worship to the temple in the OT.
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I would suggest that that most of "worship" today is the same thing Amos 6 condemns because the people are lulled into thinking by the pastor that they are doing God's will by doing church things. They are so busy with church things that God cannot possibly use them to reach people, so they are used by Satan in their complacency among those in the world.
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