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Am I Calvinist or Arminian?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Steven Yeadon, Jan 23, 2020.

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    We always have edifying discussion. When discussing Calvinism with you, I feel the discussion is always centered around gaining understanding and not scoring points in a debate. love you brother.
     
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    Really? Your next breath, your conscience, and every moments existence comes from GOD and GOD alone.
     
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    I never said that and you know it.

    Two things, one, this was a parable. Two, you don't know if the Samaritan was saved or not so why are you even trying to use this as an example?

    Ever read Romans?
     
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    The question really is did God determined to save some out in real salvation, that Jesus paid for and secured their eternal state, or did He plan for Jesus tio die and atone for all sinners, and potentially saved, up to us now to make the right decision for Jesus?
     
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    I think being sovereign means that God in the end always gets done what he intended to happen!
     
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    wear are indeed free to chase what we desire and want, but the problem is that due to being sinners, we are limited in what we can actually desire and want!
     
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    Key is that due to having a sin nature, certain things have no desire to do, such as come to Jesus to get saved...
     
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    We would see that as meaning that due to our sin natures, we can still do good works, see have religon, but that we will not be able to trust in Jesus to save us from our sins...
    Depraved in sense not being able to discern and understand spiritual things of God in ourselves!
     
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    I am wrestling with a difficult question. If God wants all saved, what about those that die never hearing the Gospel? They never even found the path to life.
     
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    God handles Himself the results for infants and those mentally unable to comprehend, but He is Sovereign enough to make sure that somehow and in someway His own will get the good news delivered to them!
     
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    There is no freewill in Calvinism. St. Peter said;
    2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
     
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    Nope, as we do indeed hold to a limited free will, as none who get saved are choosing Jesus as their Lord just by own free will, but by the working and will of God!
     
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    Ah yes but what happens to that person when they do not choose to do good works to keep there Salvation. Calvinist say if you have no good works then you weren't saved to begin with. They believe they have to have good works after Salvation according to the great John MaAuther.. It's kind of a works to keep your Salvation.
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    Actually, we hold that lost sinners cvan still choose and do good works, and we also hold that the Holy Spirit will produce fruit in lives to evidence now saved!
     
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    According to the Baptist Confession of Faith, 1689:
    Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.

    So man cannot do anything of spiritual good to effect his salvation. Says nothing about his ability to choose God. If fact, he might want to choose God, but that is not efficacious to his salvation.

    Wrong. A person that WANTS TO BE a major league baseball player will try to become one. He will use his free will to practice, practice, play the game, practice, practice, play, play, etc. When it's all said and done the reason why he didn't get picked for an MLB team was because he WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. God does not operate in this manner. No way, no how.
     
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    The lost person will not even have the desire, much less the will, to come to God, as are in very nature at war against God!
     
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    Not true at all. In fact it's just more Calvinist mumbo jumbo. Calvinist don't know if they are saved or not they think they are elect and are replacing the Jews as God's people. All of there pitiful doctrines have been disproven mumbo jumbo. You claim that our freewill is saving us that is not true we do not save our selves we at least have the decency to ask the Lord for our Salvation. While Calvinist just make claims that they are elect when there is not one Gentile ever called elect in scripture not once ever pronounce by God that Gentiles are elect. They've convinced them selves that God must have forgotten to tell them I suppose.
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    Grace of the NT relies upon God alone to save us!
     
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    More Calvinist mumbo jumbo that is just not true. It is the will of God all be saved.
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