Now we're getting into the nitty-gritty. Man has the ability to hear the gospel, to be called by God, to understand the gospel, and to repent. Otherwise, God giving the commandment to repent is one he could not perform.
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Am I Calvinist or Arminian?
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Now we're getting into the nitty-gritty. Man has the ability to hear the gospel, to be called by God, to understand the gospel, and to repent. Otherwise, God giving the commandment to repent is one he could not perform.
Gee where does God's word say this.
MB
Because the Bible directly contradicts many of the points in TULIP.
Because people are not spiritually dead people walking around like corpses with no ability to understand the gospel.
Because Christ died for the sins of everyone (but his death is only effective for those that believe.)
And so forth...
Reformed1689
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I'm sorry, but this seems to contradict your statement in posts #98 and #95... What am I missing? (I don't want to be slapped with a #4)
A men my friend I totally agree.
MB
God does help us to understand what repentance is and how to do it. But man ultimately must do it. God doesn't do it for him!
Reformed1689
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Who has said that the unelect have no ability to understand the Gospel at its most rudimentary levels?
Reformed1689
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And you don't think Calvinists hold that position? Well, with some changes in word choice, but the basic idea anyway.
Its just very hard for any to understand that its saved by the free gift God towards us in Christ Jesus!
Its actually holding to believing that in and ou ourselves, still retain the capability to choose to get saved by Christ!
Isn't it that God had Jesus die to atone for all lost sinners, and then he gives equal saving grace towards all, and then up to us to accept Jesus to save us?
Every Calvinist that quotes 1 Cor 2:14 and claims total depravity.
Reformed1689
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And I agree. The Gospel, in and of itself, is easily understood even without spiritual thinking. But that is not the same thing that 1 Corinthians is talking about. Notice in my reply to you I said anyone can understand the Gospel at a rudimentary level, not at the deep spiritual levels.
That is what is weird about Calvinist. They think every thing they read is the final solution to everything when they haven't finished the book yet. The Bible is a story of not only how things came about but also the solutions to the issues. Your not calling those verses lies are you?
MB
Christ was speaking of the disciples when He said those things, are you one of the twelve? Was there not a rich young ruler that came to Him and could not give up his riches to follow Him? Did God make a mistake and draw a non-elect?
MB
Sanctimonious false humility typical Calvinism.
Quote any non-Calvinist here or anywhere who claims they save themselves. This is a strawman.
Every single good act has God as its source. And if an act does not have God as its source we simply call it evil for what it is.
The issue here is we ask for scripture to back up your teachings, we get whining, philosophy and redefining of words.
All doesn't mean All. Free will doesn't mean free will. GOOD doesn't mean GOOD. What God wants and desires doesn't mean what God wants or desires.
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