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Am I Calvinist or Arminian?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Steven Yeadon, Jan 23, 2020.

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  1. InTheLight

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    Interesting that you never get an answer to this question.

    I don't either:
    Am I Calvinist or Arminian?

    Must be a "mystery"...
     
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    Every man has been give a measure of faith Romans 1 answers this question.
    om 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    There is no one on this earth who will have an excuse because they know. It's inside of us all
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    Knowledge does not equal ability to change.
     
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    No where in scripture is this ever said. Just made up by Calvinist. You believe in your own imagination.
    MB
     
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    Men do not change them selves God does that.
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    I think I plainly implied man does not have that ability.
     
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    Yes, that is the part that people overlook.
     
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    Which is the Calvinist view.
     
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    The key phrase is: lost ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation.
    This means: Has no capacity to choose, by self-will, to become a child of God.


    It says he has no capacity to choose, by self-will, to become a child of God.


    That is PRECISELY what human religion tries to do. A self-righteous human will practice, practice, practice to be GOOD ENOUGH so that God will say "well done good and faithful servant." Yet, that person will have practiced for naught because they were not...and cannot...ever good enough to be saved.
    God must take that "not good enough" person and choose to make them alive with Christ. God must, by his gracious choice, give them faith to believe.
    It is...GOD'S CHOICE to adopt a person and make him/her His child. The human has NO capacity to make that happen. They can practice until they die and if God does not choose to adopt them...they will NOT be adopted.
    I suspect you hate the fact that this choice is out of your control. It makes you bristle and fume. Too bad. No matter how much you hate it, you don't get the choice and you never will be given the choice. God, the ruler over all creation, gets to make that choice, completely separate and apart from your opinion.
    I know that sounds harsh to you who believes you are entitled. You aren't entitled. You don't get a vote with God. You get what He chooses to give you.
    Do you rejoice in the message of reconciliation? Do you have peace that God has removed your sins? Are you no longer in rebellion against God? Do you repent of your sins? Do you believe God has redeemed you? If so, God has chosen you.
    If you imagine you are good on your own and aren't a rebel. If you bristle at the thought that you are wretched...you are not chosen to believe at this moment. God may eventually choose you. God may never choose you. That is for God and God alone to decide.
     
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    Sure, and trying to be good enough to be saved is a lot different from lacking the ability to choose.

    Agreed.

    #4 and mind reading.

    #4 and mind reading.

    #4 and mind reading.

    #4 and mind reading.

    #4
     
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    No, trying to be good enough to be saved is exactly what human choosing is. You, by you might and authority, save yourself.
     
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    Correct. Free-will theology is a works-based plan. Unfortunately they can't see that in their own thinking.
     
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    #4 and #5.

    Free-will theology, as I know it, is man submitting to God's calling on them to repent. It is not "choosing myself to be saved" or "choosing God to save me".
     
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    Ok, please explain to me free-will Arminian theology. How do we come to faith? Is it us choosing or is it God granting and electing?
     
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    I don't know what Arminian free-will theology is.

    It's us hearing the gospel call, submitting (surrendering, acquiescing) to it, and repenting of our unbelief (which God enables us to do.)
     
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    :confused:
    So, we cannot hear, submit, surrender, or repent, without God enabling us to, correct?
     
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    You are actually showing the process of God's choosing.
    When God chooses, the child of God submits their rebellion to God and repents.

    If God does not choose, the human will not submit or repent.
     
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    We can hear, but yup, that's pretty much the way it is.
     
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    What do you mean when you say hear?, otherwise, if that is "yup pretty much the way it is" why are you not Calvinist?
     
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    The only problem with that is that Gentiles have been granted repentance unto life.
    Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
    So is God's word mistaken. He also says
    .Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

    So much for your inability. Unless of course you'd rather argue with God
    MB
     
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