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    Looks like the quote button is acting up! :jesus:
     
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    In 2Thess 2 Paul argues emphatically for believers NOT to be "deceived" by those who would suggest that the rapture has "happened". Paul then indicates a long list of events that must come FIRST.

    1. The falling away -- the apostacy of the Christian church into the dark ages of the RCC.

    2. The man of sin revealed -

    3. Signs and wonders -- assocated with the working of Satan that would appear in the future.

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    John -- the Gospel writer - then goes into a great bit of detail on these points about future events that preceed the appearing of Christ. He reveals that information under the pattern of The 7 seals, the 7 trumpets the 7 churches.

    He also shows where in that future timeline the 1260 years of dark ages persecution takes place.

    A point that the RCC has tried for centuries to misdirect so as not to expose the historic significance of her actions and the fact that God warned of that very thing when speaking to John.

    in Christ,

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    I should clarify that what I am thinking of are passages saying "the time is near" for the return of the Lord, such as

    It is always near until He comes back.
     
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    Peter was referring to the first century. It is in that context which such verses need to be read. If one can translate Peter referring to 2000+ years later, then there's no reason to translate that as being 10,000+ years later, or 100,000+ years later.

    I don't think that Peter was referring to it being near us, I believe he was referring to it being near him.
     
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    You mean he's saying his end is near?

    The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer 1 Pet. 4:7

    Doesn't sound like it.What about James 5:8?

    You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near. James 5:8
     
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    http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/James8A.htm

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/comm...horID=7&contentID=3074&commInfo=6&topic=James
     
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    Matthew Henry
    http://www.blueletterbible.org/comm...horID=4&contentID=1836&commInfo=5&topic=James
     
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    http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/James8A.htm

    His conclusions are based on what? Can he prove James' audience understood it that way?


    More mumbo jumbo from this guy. Try explaining to the 1st century Christians that the coming of the Lord was near. History tells us it was not near to them. God decieved them in his view.

    Pro 13:12 Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

    You highlighted the wrong part.

    The coming of the Lord to punish the wicked Jews was then very nigh, when James wrote this epistle;

    See, Matthew Henry got it. He saw the 1st century fulfillment of the verse. He then makes the same mistake others make and decided to rip it out of the 1st century context and apply it to some future date.

    Since you like Henry try reading his views on Matthew 24:

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/comm...rID=4&contentID=1619&commInfo=5&topic=Matthew

    (1.) As to these things, the wars, seductions, and persecutions, here foretold, and especially the ruin of the Jewish nation; "This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be fulfilled (v. 34); there are those now alive, that shall see Jerusalem destroyed, and the Jewish church brought to an end.’’
     
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    Paul always urged the church members to "eagerly" wait for and anticipate the Lord's return. In Titus 2 "looking for AND hastening" the coming of the Lord. Christ commands His followers to be as those who are watching and waiting for the return of the Master.

    No NT author said "it is a long way off - way beyond our life times -- don't even think about the coming of the Lord -- it does not apply to you".

    But Paul in 2Thess 2 DOES tell his readers NOT to be deceived by a letter or sermon as if from Paul - claiming that the appearing of Christ and our gathering together to him - has already happened and somehow you missed it!

    He then gives a list of future events that would need to take place BEFORE the appearing of Christ and our "gathering together to Him".

    Christ gave His disciples the same message as He preached "THIS Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in all the world and THEN will the end Come".

    Christ Himself had COME to Israel - the long awaited Messiah.

    Israel was "supposed" to accept Him. "HE came to HIS OWN but His OWN received Him not!" --

    In Matt 23 "O Jerusalem Jerusalem -- how I WANTED to gather your children as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings - but YOU would not!".

    Imagine the "Kingdom of God" scenario that could have unfolded had they chosen obedience instead of rebellion against God the Son.

    in Christ,

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