Americans Closely Divided Over Israel’s Gaza Attacks

He can't. He can only point you to arguments made by others.

 

Closely divided? :laugh:

You have simply got to be kidding.

That interpretation is a stretch even for our resident anti-Israelis.

 

This isn't a Baptist only forum, but I think where you started the thread is probably a better place for this topic, since this is the "News/Current Events" forum. :wavey:

 

Will you apologize in 4 years when God is still sitting high on the throne, is still the God you and I pray to and we can still feel his presence moving within us?

If God is still the God of the Jews after they rejected and killed his Son, I am sure he has room in His heart for mercy on America.

 

Really ? So "forevermore" really means "until Calvary" ?

 

Maybe you should go back and look thru your own posts if that is want you truly think. Between you and another BB member who wants my throat slit, and yet another BB member who travels over to my blog and literally posts vile curse words because of my views on "science" there are plenty of personal attacks.

As far as what I said well facts are facts.

 

I figured you knew I was kidding about getting your throat cut and I did sincerely apologize when I realized you took the joke the wrong way. Not much more I can do.

If I didn't love you man I wouldn't spend my evenings finding subjects we can disagree on. Nor would I bother to challenge your positions when I know you have a decent point. It takes a Brother, a "comrade in arms" to take time to make sure you can defend your positions. Apologetics or defending the Gospel is something I will admit you do well. Even if we don't agree verse to verse, you do defend your beliefs....

Someday you'll forgive me and my apology will be waiting...

 

And....it was reported (video tape) of muslim and other pro-Palestinian protestors down in Florida yelling at the Jews across the street to "go back to the ovens." We allow hate speech from muslims and their cronies towards Jews, but if it were whites yelling things at blacks, it would be considered hate speech. I think it is absolutely detestable what is happening to America and that Americans are sooooo blind and dumb that our country is deteriorating all around us under the guise of political correctness for muslims and their evil causes. I can see how there will be a "great delusion" in the end times...it is already happening now.

 

Israel has every right to defend itself against invasion by another nation. This is the only area of complaint one can make. Thay have been attacked and they were reacting. We hardly know what it is like to have our shopping malls bombed, and villages bombed constantly.

I do not support the idea that Israel is a sacred nation. That is only one eschatalogical viewpoint. I do defend their right to live in peace.

This Muslim nation even fired rockets from school building with Blue flags flying so that the Western world would see how "bad" the Jews were. There are no innocents in war and one can't hide behind a UN or any other flag.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Then take this analogy:
If I were invading America, the first thing I'd insist on were to have my armies bring their wives and children..... Then be sure and set up bases of operation in churches, and schools....Then pump up the propaganda machine (already in place) to decry harming the innocents....

 

I wonder why some people won't criticize those who would launch missiles from schools & hospitals.......

 

I'm a covenantist, not a dispensationalist, so I don't share the eschatological views of the majority here, I suspect, re the modern secular State of Israel being the legitimate inheritor of the Abrahamic covenant.

That said, I fully support the right of Israel to defend herself against rocket attacks. That said, I consider the Israeli response to be disproportionate, with particular regard to civilian casualties (although they also seem to be pretty good at taking out Hamas terrorists); the collateral's probably a tad high in this particular instance. In particular, if the allegation - and it is just an allegation at present - that Israeli soldiers advised civilians to shelter in a particular building only to subsequently shell it, if true, amounts to a war crime. The British military would have rightly had similar international opprobrium heaped on it if it had carpet-bombed and strafed the Londonderry Bogside district every time the IRA fired a mortar its way or detonated a bomb in a shopping mall.

 

The collateral deaths are a result of Hamas using civilians as shields. Their deaths are on the hands of Hamas alone.

 

With the memory of a year of night and day bombing in East London (my home) by the Germans during WWII, and then Berlin crying when we bombed the daylights out of that city.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but I can tell you, we celebrated in East London.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Just as the Irish Republican terrorists used the inhabitants of Derry's Creggan and Bogside housing developments as human shields in the 70s - should we Brits therefore have launched airstrikes against those civilian areas, and what would have been the US reaction had we done so?

 

Matt, that is off topic and you can start another thread on that one. Thanks.