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Another Political Weiner set to Legalize Nudity in Frisco...

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freeatlast

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I am also a close to 40 year member of Hamilton Square Baptist.

Yes, in the case of morals, San Francisco and NT Corinth are cut from the same cloth. But, the Holy Spirit told Paul, "I have much people here." The same goes for San Francisco.

As for the "on every corner" statement, don't go into the Castro District. Most of the rest of the city is pretty family safe. (I say "most of the rest" as there are always outliers.)

San Francisco's problem with public male nudity is rooted in the state law on the subject. The law is quite clear when it comes to public female nudity. However, if there is no arousal there is effectively no violation of state law. Without arousal it's at the most an infraction which the police have to see personally or an individual has to make a citizen's arrest.

Concerning the idea Christians should give San Francisco a wide berth, all I can say is hog wash. Unless you're going to bypass New York City, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, and other big cities back East. Further, it is such thinking which has enabled evil to seemingly triumph. It is said, "Bravery is running towards the sound of battle not away from it."
What righteousdude2 was trying to point out is not that no one should ever go there. If someone feels called to go and share the gospel then by all means go. However it is not a place to vacation at for the family. Stay away and his advice is good advice.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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What righteousdude2 was trying to point out is not that no one should ever go there. If someone feels called to go and share the gospel then by all means go. However it is not a place to vacation at for the family. Stay away and his advice is good advice.

Any wise traveller knows that you choose where to go and not go in a city. That doesn't mean you have to avoid the entire city. Robt K. fall, who lives there, has it right
 

jaigner

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What righteousdude2 was trying to point out is not that no one should ever go there. If someone feels called to go and share the gospel then by all means go. However it is not a place to vacation at for the family. Stay away and his advice is good advice.

Don't be paranoid. Christians don't have to stay away from a spot because there are some sinful people living there. Otherwise, there wouldn't be anywhere to go and home wouldn't be safe, either.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Don't be paranoid. Christians don't have to stay away from a spot because there are some sinful people living there. Otherwise, there wouldn't be anywhere to go and home wouldn't be safe, either.

The Christian exclusionist mindset bothers me. Those wicked nasty people are just like us. The only difference is that we have the Jesus they need.
 

freeatlast

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Any wise traveller knows that you choose where to go and not go in a city. That doesn't mean you have to avoid the entire city. Robt K. fall, who lives there, has it right

In the case of frisco for a vacation spot it is all bad.
 

billwald

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We moved back to West Seattle. It was the most like San Francisco or NYC that we could afford. (And all the grandkids are on the Left Coast) We have a dozen eating/drinking places in walking distances and people on the street until late in the evening. The climate is much better than NYC, only slightly colder than San Francisco.
 

billwald

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"Bill based on the bible do you think God wants man running around naked irregardless of the effects real or possible?"

I think that is a "Taliban" argument. An OPC/Reconstructionist argument. Maybe a Catholic Inquisition argument.
 

freeatlast

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"Bill based on the bible do you think God wants man running around naked irregardless of the effects real or possible?"

I think that is a "Taliban" argument. An OPC/Reconstructionist argument. Maybe a Catholic Inquisition argument.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

Squire Robertsson

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I'll chime in now. Brother Fall and I were born in SF, We were'n't called here. We just live in our native city. RD's advice covers any major city in the US. They all have their crazies. If you're worried about ours, come in January. It's too cold to leave flesh unnecessarily exposed. But, there's no snow or ice.
What righteousdude2 was trying to point out is not that no one should ever go there. If someone feels called to go and share the gospel then by all means go. However it is not a place to vacation at for the family. Stay away and his advice is good advice.
 

freeatlast

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I'll chime in now. Brother Fall and I were born in SF, We were'n't called here. We just live in our native city. RD's advice covers any major city in the US. They all have their crazies. If you're worried about ours, come in January. It's too cold to leave flesh unnecessarily exposed. But, there's no snow or ice.

No one is saying you need to leave. STAY and enjoy the filth and garbage! What came up was a place to vacation. Frisco is not the place to take a family.
 

jaigner

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The Christian exclusionist mindset bothers me. Those wicked nasty people are just like us. The only difference is that we have the Jesus they need.

Big, big thumbs up. Christians waste mission opportunities to people every day simply because their sins are too "gross" to talk about. It's horrible.
 

Squire Robertsson

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If you look at the origins of the folks we're talking about, you'll see very few of them are homegrown. These perverts came from back East to my home town. And if I and others go who will be the witness? Did Paul tell the Corinthian believers to get out of Corinth because of Corinth's immorality? God even sent Jonah to Nineveh.

A quick list of family activities in SF:

A walk through Chinatown along Grant Avenue.
During the winter, ice skating on Union Square
Visiting the SF Zoo.
The California Academy of Science Museum and Aquarium
The Exploratorium
The Palace of Legion of Honor Museum
The DeYoung Museum
The Asian Art Museum
Eat at any one of hundreds reasonably priced restaurants. You can find every cuisine from Afghan to Vietnamese with stops at Cajun Mexican and all five cuisines of China. On the later, I'll put in a plug for the Wooey Loy Gooey.

Further, out here it is considered uncultured to call The City, Frisco.
No one is saying you need to leave. STAY and enjoy the filth and garbage! What came up was a place to vacation. Frisco is not the place to take a family.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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If you look at the origins of the folks we're talking about, you'll see very few of them are homegrown. These perverts came from back East to my home town. And if I and others go who will be the witness? Did Paul tell the Corinthian believers to get out of Corinth because of Corinth's immorality? God even sent Jonah to Nineveh.

A quick list of family activities in SF:

A walk through Chinatown along Grant Avenue.
During the winter, ice skating on Union Square
Visiting the SF Zoo.
The California Academy of Science Museum and Aquarium
The Exploratorium
The Palace of Legion of Honor Museum
The DeYoung Museum
The Asian Art Museum
Eat at any one of hundreds reasonably priced restaurants. You can find every cuisine from Afghan to Vietnamese with stops at Cajun Mexican and all five cuisines of China. On the later, I'll put in a plug for the Wooey Loy Gooey.

Further, out here it is considered uncultured to call The City, Frisco.

Someday, somehow, I really want to see the work you all are doing in that city. All I hear is good.
 

righteousdude2

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Is It Not a Sin to "Bet?"

I am supposdely taking a break to write my book. However, since this topic continues, I thought I needed to jump back in and further explain myself!

Have you been to the city? I have, and even though I don't live there, I stand by my advice to avoid the city (as a vacation spot) due to its radical, seductive, sinful ways.

The key to my concerns is the seductive spirit that hovers over the city. If there is a chance that by visiting the city and being enticed by the sin seen all around you, then it is wise to consider staying at an arm's distance.

Remember, this city is anti USA, anti military, pro abortion, pro-gay marriage, a city of refuge for illegal aliens. It has more XXX rated theaters and shops per capita than any other city of its size and in its confined area, it allows public nudity and is about to legalize this activity, its leaders are as radical as they come, and it has driven any military presence out of the city limits.

Sure, as I said earlier, there are some beautiful, and historical sites to see. One I love is the wharf, taking a bay cruise, and the Ghiradelli chocolate factory. Walking along the wharf eating hot fresh sour dough bread is always a special thing to do, and China Town is quaint to say the least. And there are many beautiful hotels. The Sir Francis Drake is one of my favorites, as is the St. Francis and eating at the Top of the Mark!

That doesn't mean that you won't run into and come across the things I said. Walking down any street will reveal gay couples expressing outward affection to one another. XXX rated businesses, theaters, and nude gentlemen clubs, gay bath houses, and the list goes on. When I walked around the city on warm evenings, I felt threatened by the gang presence, and angered with the agressive gays who tried to pick up on me. And I was not in the Castro District.

There is both good and bad to be considered, and I issued the "buyer bewares" warning. Be forewarned that if you, as a male, especially, have the slightest propensity to be seduced by the spirit of sexual sin and lust, I'd stay away from the city. It is like a child in a candy store environment, who can't deny their hunger for all forms of candy.

I am not saying, in any way, that those believers who can stand up to this kind of mind and eye seduction to remain there and do what the Lord has called you to do. And if you think you are beyond being vulnerable to the seductive spirits over the city, by all rights, consider going there and sharing Jesus.

However, those who live there know that any believer who may have a problem with seductive spirits, that this is a city to steer clear of. It is not wise to place oneself in a place where they know temptation runs rampant.

I have one question for those who are there and live there: If you were doing your job, wouldn't there be some sort of dent being made in the corrupt morals and values of the city? Instead of Christianity losing ground, and it is losing ground, I would think that for the most part, the war between good and evil would at least be at a stalemate, not giving ground with each new law and city ordinance. The fact that the city is widely known for being a magnet to the GLAD folks is a given. If you are gay, SF is the city of choice.

For sure, those who live, work and serve Jesus in the city, don't leave and never give up. Just don't make it sound like you are having a resounding effect on the out-of-hand sin, political correctness, and social tolerance around you.

I spent no less than six weeks a year in the city, from 1991 to 2000, and never did I feel a strong presence of Christ in the city. The spirit of evil and seduction was winning the war back then and the news coming out of the city hasn't demonstrated any break throughs on behalf of the church. And, as I said before, I didn't feel safe walking alone at night. I learned to ask a colleque or two to come along with me on my quest to get in my daily exercise.

BTW, the city has many challenging hills to climb, and that is great if you are exercising. Although, I liked going down the hills, rather than up.

It is simply my opinion, but I'd say, that the churches in the city limits are probably holding their own, but losing membership each year. And the number of churches that ordain homosexuals, condone homosexuals, and are just plain cults (like the Universalist) are adding to their numbers also.

Another question to those who advocate living in the city...When was the last major revival to take the city by storm? This question goes to other major metropolitan areas throughout the nation, not just SF.

I live outside of LA, and I can say that the inner city churches are barely holding their own. Homosexuality, promiscuity, inequity, poverty, homelessness, drugs, alcohol, gangs, loose sexual morals and values, and the porn and sex industry is gaining momentum in the city limits of LA, and I do not think SF is doing any better. IMHO!

I spent more than 24 years working on a monthly basis with local rescue missions in the inner-city area of LA, and watched as the presence of believers deteriorated, and evil expanded.

Just as with SF, I wouldn't recommend that a family make LA their number choice to visit on a vacation. Sure there are some neat places to visit in and around LA, like Hollywood studios, Universal Studios, the Zoo, etc. But, the actual city is not something that one would want to take their children, and in my opinion, SF is a little worse than LA.

Did I mention that in most major cities across this nation, major churches in the inner city have suttered their windows and doors, and been purchased by offshoots of cults and wannabe churches that are serving the gay community, and other such sin guided cults.

I would think that the hardened hearts of those within most cities across this nation are more difficult to reach than in the rural and urban areas. That does not mean we should give up on the innercity folks. But, having worked with innercity mission in LA and Orange County, I can attest to the fact, that while these people may need Jesus, their hearts are very hard, and evn more difficult to reach.

It is a given, that there are people who are just not going to open up and let Jesus in. That doesn't mean we should cease trying to win them over, it does mean that these kind of folks take an extraordinary person to do the work.

In closing, those proponents of SF know what I know, and that is there are some places most believers should avoid, because not all believers have the inner constitution that others have, and they are susceptible to temptation, and they can falter and fall given the right environment or the perfect (sin) storm! We who know the truth should never put a person in a place where they may stumble and fall. The church has many baby Christians, immature believers, and borderline followers. Why risk their place in the Kingdom when we know the real score.

The devil is like a hungry lion, roaming to and fro, looking for someone to devour!

If we know that a certain area (city) is a zoo without bars and cages separating the public from the predators it is our duty to protect them. At least, that is my opinion!

My use of bold, colored fonts is not yelling, it is simply making sure you don't miss my point!
 
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InTheLight

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Walking down any street will reveal gay couples expressing outward affection to one another. XXX rated businesses, theaters, and nude gentlemen clubs, gay bath houses, and the list goes on. When I walked around the city on warm evenings, I felt threatened by the gang presence, and angered with the aggressive gays who tried to pick up on me.

Be forewarned that if you, as a male, especially, have the slightest propensity to be seduced by the spirit of sexual sin and lust, I'd stay away from the city. It is like a child in a candy store environment, who can't deny their hunger for all forms of candy.

If I'm reading this correctly you are asserting that Christian men will fall into the sin of fornication and/or extramarital sex with other MEN. They simply will not be able to help themselves. Am I reading you correctly? If so, I just have to say Bee as in B and Ess as in S.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Funny how we never read in Paul's letters to avoid Corinth. He merely told the people there not to partake of the sinful lifestyle.

Kudos to forward moving churches like Hamilton Square. Their results may not be great enough to satisfy some folks, but the angels rejoice every time one of those nasty dirty sinners comes to Christ. While I admire their work, they are no more extraordinary than anyone else. They are the simple, weak, foolish people that we all are. The are ordinary people. They are the same kind of people, in fact, who reached into Corinth with the gospel.



And, BTW Bro Paul, your yelling does not help your case. Saying it loudest does not make it right.
 
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