Those scriptures do not say, “The Nineveh’s are God’s people.” However, if the Nineveh’s continued to believe in God and do what He says, then I believe they are His people.
Do you think the Ninevites just believed God? Do you not know that they did not just sit there and believe? The king of Nineveh rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust. He decreed all, man and beast, heard or flock not to let them eat or drink, but all to be covered with sackcloth. He said let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence, and that God might yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that they will not perish.
Does that sound to you like they only believed God? Does that sound like their faith worked together with their actions?
Do you see now how our faith has to work together with our actions?
In other threads, you argue against me and say we do not even have to be sorry for our sins when we want to be saved. What do you think about the king and all the people in that big city wearing sackcloth means? What do you think it means when they fasted? What do you think it means when the king ordered that they all give up their evil ways and their violence?
The king told them to all call urgently on God.
That is the way a person’s heart should be when they call on the name of the Lord to save them!
Where did I say they should become like Jews? By the way, you say Jacob was a Jew, but not his father Abraham and his mother Sarah. How did that happen?
It is hard to believe that you say I have messed up beliefs for saying that all have to obey God.
Rahab was not saved just by believing in God. Rahab was saved for what she did.
Hebrews 11:31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.
Did you see that? Rahab was not killed with those who were DISOBEDIENT; she was not killed BECAUSE SHE WELCOMED THE SPIES.
James 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
James said Abraham’s faith worked TOGETHER with his actions, James 21-22.
James calls people like you foolish, and explains faith without deeds is dead.
James 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
DHK, why do you keep teaching that faith without deeds is the most important kind of faith in life? Why do you teach faith without deeds is not dead but rather the kind that saves?
I sure do study my Bible, and love every single word of God.
When Ruth said your people will be my people and your God my God, do you not think she knew she was going to have to obey?
You said the Gentiles in the Old Testament were saved just as we are today. When the Bible says they were separate and without God and Christ in the world, and were brought near to God through Jesus’ shed blood, his flesh, the gospel. That is the Word of God!
Explain how Jacob was a Jew but his dad Abraham and his mother Sarah were not Jews.
Explain to me then what these scriptures mean:
Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
Exodus 4:24 At a lodging place on the way, the LORD met Moses and was about to kill him.
Why was God going to kill Moses? I know why, but I want to hear what you say.
Exodus 12:15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel.
Have you ever read this?
Exodus 12:19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born.
Even the alien will be cut off if he does not obey.
Exodus 30:33 Whoever makes perfume like it and whoever puts it on anyone other than a priest must be cut off from his people.’”
Exodus 30:38 Whoever makes any like it to enjoy its fragrance must be cut off from his people.”
Exodus 31:14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.
Leviticus 7:21 If anyone touches something unclean—whether human uncleanness or an unclean animal or any unclean, detestable thing—and then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD, that person must be cut off from his people.’”
Leviticus 7:25 Anyone who eats the fat of an animal from which an offering by fire may be made to the LORD must be cut off from his people.
Have you read the Bible? Did you not know that the Jews had to obey God or they would be cut off? There are more scriptures about being cut off, do you want me to show you more?
Why do you keep saying we only have to believe? Why do you say the Jews would only be cut off spiritually and not physically?
Do you think God cares about skin color?
Baptism in the Spirit
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Jun 5, 2012.
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Jesus says he remains in the Father’s love because he obeys.
You say the Jews obeyed the law God because they were saved, not in order to be saved…so, what does it mean to you to read they would be cut off for not obeying? What does it mean to you that God was going to kill Moses for not obeying?
Where does it say because she trusted God?
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This is one of your many quotes:
I never commented about Jacob? Are you trying to put words in my mouth--being deceitful about something I never said?
Muslims believe they are saved by works.
If that is what you believe, then it is not Christianity.
Christianity teaches that one is saved by grace, through faith, not of works. Choose ye this day whom you will believe. If you will believe the Bible you will believe that salvation is by faith without works.
Here:
Hebrews 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
She did not perish with them that believed not.
Why? Because she believed.
She was saved because she believed. It is as simple as that. The works that she did, she did because she was saved, not in order to get saved.
Have you joined the RCC? The teaching in James 2 is that works are a result of one's faith after they are saved.
That is what I have saying all along. Everyone, whether Jew or Gentile, OT or NT must be saved through the shed blood of Christ. Don't you read my posts?
That doesn't change the fact that the person is still a Jew. You have no understanding of that do you?
For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works.
Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.
That is what the Bible teaches.
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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
--There are no works involved in salvation. It is by faith and faith alone.
"My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they shall never perish."
Once they are his sheep, they will always be his sheep and never perish.
--So your view is that John is telling a lie here. He didn't mean what he said, when he said "takes away the sin of the world."
John was confused, you say.
I think you are.
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You say they only had to believe and do nothing else. You say anything else would be called saved by works and cause to be accursed.
You do not believe we have to be sorry for our sins to be saved.
We have to obey God. You could not point that out in the scriptures no matter how many times I asked you to show me how the Ninevites were saved.
You say faith without works is saving faith; James says that is dead faith. James says you are foolish.
You sure get riled up at James 2:25. Here it is again.
James 2:25 n the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
Are you sure you still want to say she only had to believe and do nothing to be saved?
She was considered righteous for what she did! That is the Word of God.
You are exposed.
The Lord promised Abraham would be the father of many nations---WOULD BE. You claim the Gentiles were included from all time. The word of God says they were separate, but brought near by the shed blood of Jesus, his flesh, the gospel.
You misunderstand Paul to your destruction.
How do you eat of Jesus if you do not obey?
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If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love, John 15:10. -
Brother, this is how I have come to my conclusion concerning the baptism of/by the Spirit.
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I think here shows that there is only one baptism(not the water either), but the baptism of/by the Spirit. Without this baptism, the water is only a moot point. It first takes this baptism before the water counts towards anything.
1 Cor. 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
Now, when we are baptized into Christ, we are placed in Him, in the Church, His body, of which He is the Head. We are placed in Him, and we make up many members. We are given life because we are placed in Him, and not given life and then placed in Christ. We are either in Christ(spirtiually alive), or we are not(seperated from Christ due to our sins, and are spiritually dead). We do not have life until we eat of His flesh, and drink of His blood(spiritually speaking that is).
John 6
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
So you see, Brother, that I see it like this. We partake of His flesh and blood(spiritually speaking), and we are placed in Christ and given life. We don't get life and then be placed in Christ. This is how I see it, and I am sure you will not agree. i just pray that you take my post as a civil one. -
Luke 18:22 (KJV) Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Tell us, Moriah... have you sold all that you have? Jesus said that is important if you want treasures in heaven, you know?
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Jesus was on earth, and the rich man did not want to give up all he had to follow him. You do not understand that for a reason. You do not have understanding. -
I understand the verse quite well. It is you who is lacking in understanding.... as DHK has pointed out time and again. -
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The baptism in the spirit is not SPIRITUAL UNION with Christ as that would teach all pre-Pentecost people were SPIRITUALLY SEPARATED from God and thus SPIRITUALLY DEAD.
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The Baptism in the Spirit cannot possibly be defined or equated to SPIRITUAL UNION with God as that assigns all pre-Pentecost people to hell. The opposite of SPIRITUAL UNION is SPIRITUAL SEPARATION!
The Baptism in the Spirit cannot possibly be placement into the so-called mystical body of Christ as Christ is the Adaministrator of this baptism not the element. The element is the Holy Spirit. -
Read what Acts 8:16 says, “because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus”
Acts 8:16 shows that the Holy Spirit is to come fill individuals, when the scripture says “any of them,” we can see this fact.
So, one can see it is not as you say, that the only baptism promised is water baptism.
Besides, with your logic, only people enrolled in YOUR church are saved, or else you are advocating all religions claiming to be Christian are saved people, and just getting membership saves them.
The people from the time of Pentecost on are in union with the Spirit when they receive the Holy Spirit, when the Holy Spirit lives in them individually. -
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love, John 15:10.
Are you in Jesus’ love? Then you are obeying Jesus’ commands. Do you want to remain in Jesus’ love? Then continue obeying Jesus’ commands. -
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Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
--First in Jerusalem, and then in Judea, and now it has come to Samaria, just as it was commanded.
First the Bible never speaks of denominations, so it is not speaking of those churches.
Second, it is not speaking of all religions; it is speaking of those churches that are Bible-based evangelical churches that are founded on Christ.
Third, membership in a church doesn't save anyone. However in order to be a member in a church like ours one must be first saved, and then baptized.
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1. He was writing to the saints, the believers.
2. He was writing to the believers that were in Corinth.
--It helps when you read your Bible. You can find out these answers for yourself.
--These Corinthians were called "a body of Christ."
The local church is "a body of Christ." Let me explain that for you.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1 Corinthians 12:27 υμεις δε εστε σωμα χριστου και μελη εκ μερους
The word soma is body. There is no article (the) that precedes it. The translators inserted it to make the sentence flow. It could just as easily and grammatically read:
"Now you are a body of Christ..."
This local church was a body of Christ. Each member contributed in a unique fashion. That is what Paul was explaining to them. They could not all be an eye.
1 Corinthians 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
--Each had its own particular gift and function in the body and should not be jealous of others.
Every local church is a body of Christ.
How many Christs are there, one may ask? Just one? Well if that is so, then I claim him, for I know he resides in me. He can't reside in you and not in me. Only one of us can claim him right? This is how ridiculous your argument looks like when you say "how many body of Christs can there be?" Every local church is a body of Christ, just as Christ is the head of every local church.
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Water Baptism does not bring remission of sin. The word "for" in Acts 2:38 does not mean 'so that you can get'... it means 'because of'
Acts 2:38 (KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The word 'remission' is the Greek word 'aphesis'. It means liberation, forgiveness, freedom, pardon. Peter was telling that crowd to repent, to turn to God. There is a comma after the word 'Repent' in that verse. That indicates a pause. Peter said "Turn to God." He continued by assuring them that in turning to God they would receive remission of sin. Their response because they had been pardoned for sin should be to be baptized.
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Not every church is so into their members. The Mormon Church excommunicates members for a couple of reasons. Are you claiming that makes them a true body of Christ?
A person can be saved and have the Holy Spirit and never belong to a church on earth.
In addition, a person could belong to a church, get water baptized there, then not renew membership, nor attend there ever again, and it does not mean they do not have the Holy Spirit anymore.
I thought you did not believe someone could lose their salvation anyway.
Baptism is symbolic. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Our old nature is to die and we are to be “buried with Him through baptism into death.” We are buried with the water, and raised out of the water, raised to “walk in newness of life” (live like Jesus).
Picture how baptism looks…the believer comes to make the pledge to God, to die to the sins of the world; so now standing in the water the believer falls back, as if dead; then, the believer goes under the water, buried; then, the believer rises up out of the water, raises up to live a new life.
Romans explain this perfectly.
Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Water baptism is a promise of a good conscience to God. See 1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, -
ALL the bible teaching on obeying Him refers to post salvation, NOT before!
ALL real Christians have both a new nature and the Holy Spirit, and they would be wanting to please God and obey him, but we still have the old nature and sin principle dwelling in us at war against that getting done...
See Apostle paul!
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