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charles_creech78 said:I know that I am going to hell if I don't change and stop sinning. I just don't understand if sin is all the same to you and you sin how is it he is going to cast me into hell and let you that sin to into heaven. What is the different if they are the same? I am not mad at anyone. I just want a answer which I have not gotten yet. Do you not see the point. Let's say you fornicat and are a Christain and I fornicat and I say that I am not a Christain. Which one is going to hell? Answer this one and don't give me a run around.
charles_creech78 said:I know that I am going to hell if I don't change and stop sinning.
I hate sin right know but that does not mean I am born again.Steven2006 said:What you have to understand is the difference from one moment of weakness, that results in sin, and the practice or habit of living in sin. That is the difference. If one is saved and sin, they will be repentant, and seek forgiveness. He will see it as God sees it and hate the sin. One that is not saved, enjoys his sin and lives a life of habitual sin.
Every man is born a sinner. We sin, both by choice and because we are prone to sin simply because we have a sin nature. There comes a time in a person's life when they may here the gospel message--that Jesus died for their sins, paid the penalty with his blood, that they might go free from that penalty. His sacrifice on the cross met the demands of God that the penalty of sin be paid. Christ then, after three days in the grave, arose from the dead conquering death and Satan. If one believes in Him, and His work on the cross they will receive eternal life. If they reject that precious work that Christ did, they will go to hell, because that is the only way to Heaven. Christ provided for our salvatioin. We can't do it. There is no way that we can pay for our sins. When Christ died on the cross he paid the penalty for all our sins--the past, the present and the future. For those that believe, however, this is not a licence to sin.charles_creech78 said:I know that I am going to hell if I don't change and stop sinning. I just don't understand if sin is all the same to you and you sin how is it he is going to cast me into hell and let you that sin to into heaven. What is the different if they are the same? I am not mad at anyone. I just want a answer which I have not gotten yet. Do you not see the point. Let's say you fornicat and are a Christain and I fornicat and I say that I am not a Christain. Which one is going to hell? Answer this one and don't give me a run around.
See you can't even give me a answer.TCGreek said:1. Say no more, I realize its an interpretation issue.
2. Others have already taken you up on that issue.
3. And that's good for me.
I have read this ok .Please I will read what you give me so if you can answer this verse in 1 John about he cannot sinn. what does he mean by that . He said you cannot sin being born of God . But you say you can.DHK said:Every man is born a sinner. We sin, both by choice and because we are prone to sin simply because we have a sin nature. There comes a time in a person's life when they may here the gospel message--that Jesus died for their sins, paid the penalty with his blood, that they might go free from that penalty. His sacrifice on the cross met the demands of God that the penalty of sin be paid. Christ then, after three days in the grave, arose from the dead conquering death and Satan. If one believes in Him, and His work on the cross they will receive eternal life. If they reject that precious work that Christ did, they will go to hell, because that is the only way to Heaven. Christ provided for our salvatioin. We can't do it. There is no way that we can pay for our sins. When Christ died on the cross he paid the penalty for all our sins--the past, the present and the future. For those that believe, however, this is not a licence to sin.
If you believe he gives you eternal life, forgiveness of sin, and salvation, full and free.
At that time we become free from the penalty of sin. But no man is free from sin. We still sin. We still have the sin nature within us. There is a constant war going on within the believer. You see, at the time of salvation the Holy Spirit entered in and began to dwell inside and slowly began to change that new Christian. But the old nature has not been eradicated and never will be until the resurrection takes place. Paul described it this way:
Romans 7:24-25 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
There was a struggle within him: the old man vs. the new man in Christ. He cries out: "wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me..."
And then he gives the answer. "With the mind I serve the law of God; with the flesh I serve the law of sin.
In other words I must win the battles by yielding my mind to the Holy Spirit, and allow Him to control my thoughts and actions.
I will still sin. I will fall and falter. But Christ is there to pick me up. He has provided a way of forgiveness that my fellowship with him may be restored. My salvation will never be lost. Eternal life will always be eternal. It can never drop down a stage and become temporary. No man is sinless. The only sinless person is Christ. He alone went through this life without sin. That is one of the reasons he could die for our sins--"the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive through the Spirit" (1Pet.3:18). He is the just (the sinless); we are not.
I was a sinner. I was saved. I am still a sinner. But now I am a sinner saved by grace. That is the difference. Since I was saved, the Holy Spirit has been working in my life to change me to be conformed to the image of Christ, to be more like Him. Thus I don't want to do the things that I used to do. The attractions of that old life; I have no desire for them any longer. But I am not perfect. I still sin, and when I do, I have an advocate--Jesus Christ.
charles_creech78 said:I hate sin right know but that does not mean I am born again.
Like I have advised you to do before, read the verse in some other translations. Use some other resources. The verse is not teaching what it seems to say. The Greek verb is in the present continuous. That means: He that is born again cannot continue in sin. The meaning is that he cannot continue in a lifestyle of sin. It is not speaking of someone committing adultry (for an example) one time. But if a person lives a lifestyle of one who is an immoral wretch--that is doing it over and over again, then he is not born again. He shows no repentance. David committed adultery that one time, and Nathan came to him, pointed out his sin and David repented and lived that way no more.charles_creech78 said:I have read this ok .Please I will read what you give me so if you can answer this verse in 1 John about he cannot sinn. what does he mean by that . He said you cannot sin being born of God . But you say you can.
Where does it say you have to live with a habitual sin?What you have to understand is the difference from one moment of weakness, that results in sin, and the practice or habit of living in sin. That is the difference. If one is saved and sin, they will be repentant, and seek forgiveness. He will see it as God sees it and hate the sin. One that is not saved, enjoys his sin and lives a life of habitual sin.
1Jo 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.TC;
1. Do you have Scriptures to show that their are spiritual sins and non spiritual sins and that the inner man doesn't sin?
2. Where are the Scriptures?
3. Which bible writer is saying these things?
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Brother Bob said:Where does it say you have to live with a habitual sin?
Why do you believe a "saved" person has to commit adultery?You don't think that someone that is not saved doesn't live a life of habitual sin?
charles_creech78 said:See you can't even give me a answer.
Brother Bob said:Why do you believe a "saved" person has to commit adultery?
Romans 7:1. Say no more, I realize its an interpretation issue.
2. Others have already taken you up on that issue.
3. And that's good for me.__________________
As always have to run to the Greek and put another spin on it.Galatians 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strifes, jealousies, angers, contentions, disputes, schools of opinion,
This puts the verse in English that is a bit more understandable than that which was written 400 years ago.
1. The last phrase is "schools of opinion." You have an opinion different than ours and are arguing vehemently on behalf of it. Perhaps, Charles, that is a sin unto death, just as bad as fornication mentioned in verse 20. At times your posts come across as anger (also, according to you a sin unto death). They are very contentious, which you say is a sin unto death. And certainly they have caused disputes which is classified here (according to your theology) as a sin unto death. Now where does that put you?__________________
DHK
You have the "indwelling of the Holy Spirit" and the "mind of Christ", you have the flesh and the mind of the flesh, now which one of these you say sins?1. If you notice carefully what I have written, I have alluded to the fact that others have alreay addressed your views. I agree with them and therefore do not wish to add anymore, except this one thing:
2. Your view and those who hold to it, is a form of Docetism, from the Greek dokeiv, "to seem." Docetism taught that matter was evil and therefore Christ couldn't actually become flesh, but only "appear" to be in the flesh. Docetism denies the Incarnation of Christ and is therefore heretical.
3. Your view is dangerously along that line. You have created a dual being, the flesh over against the spirit.
4. You cannot sin in the spirit because its born again, but whatever sin you commit is either attributed to the flesh or only "appears" to be sin.
5. This is a form of Docetism and I hope no one on BB buys into it.
Yea, and he was excluded and then repented and came back. You forgot to tell that part.In 1Cor.5, a man in the church committed a horrible sin of incest. He was a believer. Paul instructed the church how to deal with such believers that had sin. He instructed how to exercise church discipline. They did so. Eventually the man repented and was welcomed back into the church. He did not go on living the same lifestyle.
That is the meaning of the verse. It is not speaking of one sin.__________________
DHK
Does this mean that a "saved" person can keep from committing "adultery', and all the other sins on the list by ED;???? I don't understand your question. I never said a saved person has to commit adultry.
Brother Bob said:Does this mean that a "saved" person can keep from committing "adultery', and all the other sins on the list by ED;?
Where did they all go?