Decisional Regeneration? What about today’s popular “alter call”

There are two ways of reading these passages. 1. How to recognize those God saves by their works. Or 2. Assuming their works saved them. These are two different gospels.

 

From the OP's original post. I see nothing wrong with an alter call. When they started preaching in Acts they report hard numbers of folks who were saved. So you had to press forward or do something to let the apostles know how you felt. It may have been baptism, true but you still had to report to the river.

The trouble with alter calls was that some preachers tried to manipulate audiences with music, sentimental stories about someone's mom or a dog that died etc. And it did devolve in many cases to a simplified sacrament like the Catholics have where the act of going forward became the whole thing.

I have Billy Graham's book Peace With God and it is excellent. I personally know people who were saved at his crusades and are serving the Lord going on 50 years at this point.

I have a book by Finney also and I have to admit he may not even have been an orthodox Christian.

 

Assuming a sinner is saved with out believing or repentance is just that assumption. God does not save by ones works. Belief and repentance is not a work .Men certainly are not saved when men reject Him.
MB

 

You are mistaken Faith is the hope of Salvation. The faith that is a fruit is increased faith. Our faith is increased everytime we hear the gospel.If we were saved before faith what would stop us from not having any faith, since Salvation is permanent and cannot be lost. You have people being saved with out believing and it's impossible.
MB

 

So do you agree literally with Romans 3:23?

 

Indeed. However it is important to note that a sinner is someone who actually commits sins which infants cannot

 

Then you, from my understanding, do not understand Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3. and Genesis 3:22. Romans 9:11 is mistranslated by virtually every translation.

 

Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

 

What you are missing is my point that faith alone is evidence God saved a person. The saved went forward not knowing they were already saved. And Then Billy gave them false directions on how to save themselves by making a decision. This is decisional regeneration and is not found anywhere in scripture. They were saved but horribly confused, possibly for life.

 

Our flesh remains sinful until death. Paul lamented about the wretched man he was.

 

What causes people to sin other than their wicked hearts? Why do infants die in the womb if not sinful? The wages of sin is death.

 

“The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.” Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” Romans 3:10 (KJV 1900)

The wages of sin is death and babies die every day in the womb.

 

An infant cannot commit any sin. Very simple

 

Did you read the link

 

Whoa!! Cherry picker are you? You left off a vital component of the complete 'formula' in order to be 'saved':

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

Repenting, believing, being baptized; have I left out any of the 'formula' for being 'saved'? (oh, wait a minute, seems there's also an incantation that needs to be repeated in order to become 'saved')

 

Any accredited degrees in ancient Greek?

 

Why do babies die in the womb? Because of Adam's imputed sin. The wages of sin is death.

 

This cannot be understood liteally. How many babies do you know, that are 6 months, ot even a year, that "speak lies"? They probably don't even say mum or dad at this time!

 

have you seen the links at # 8? are all these reformed theologians wrong, and the moderns right???

 

what is up with you guys??? So, you are now saying, that if a woman were to miscarry, or have a still birth, it is "Because of Adam's imputed sin"??? What rubbish.