These first colonists would turn over in their graves if they saw how ungodly America is today & how we can't have the 10 Commandments in a court house.
Did you know the first American colony was founded to "advance the Christian faith?"
Discussion in 'History Forum' started by LadyEagle, Sep 10, 2003.
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These guys 'turned' over alot when they were living. :D
I agree with you though. Just had to say that.
Bro. Dallas -
Sorry SheEagle,
However, the Mayflower bunch was not the first American Colony. They landed in 1620. Now my Virginia ancestors... they landed at Jamestown, VA in 1607. :D Plus, we should not forget about the Roanoke Island party in NC, led by Sir Walter Raleigh, who disappeared without a trace.
BibleboyII -
There is a statue in Boston to a woman. I forgot her name but the statue was erected because she was hung for not changing her religion to the predominant one of the colony. I am not sure that these colonists are worth emulating.
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Saint Augustine, Florida, is even older than Roanoke.
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The the Mayflower Puritans would have been first in line to persecute our Baptist forefathers as the Puritans did in the 1600's. Roger Williams and the Rhode Island colony help provide a safe haven for all religions. The Differance between the Baptist and the Puritan was,
Puritan - Freedom of Religion for US but no one else.
Baptist - Freedom of Religion for ALL.
Be glad you did not live in that Puritan Colony in the 1600's for the Puritans treated Baptists with cruelty. -
PastorGreg MemberSite Supporter
The Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock in 1620 were not Puritans, they were Separatists - that's why they were hounded, arrested, persecuted in England. They did come, in part, for religious freedom. THEY NEVER PERSECUTED ANYONE. This is a myth which angers me. The Puritans who followed them did. Roger Williams found safe haven in PLymouth colony, but left of his own accord because the Puritans of Massachusetts colony so resented Plymouth Colony's freedom of religion. I think it would be good to document things before they are spread, and the Pilgrims' persecuting of anyone is a lie that can easily be disproven by anyone not too lazy to read a little.
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Some history on the Mayflower Pilgrims, from the Mayflower History website:
Religious Beliefs of the Pilgrims
Crime and Punishment in the Colony
The 1621 Thanksgiving
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This is not meant to insult them. They like practically all paedobaptists of the time viewed not sprinkling a child as a form of child abuse. Even great mean like Luther and Calvin had such a view and it was common thought among all paedobaptists of the time. They also like most paedobaptists could never separate the Church from the State. To be honest they would have given religious freedom to other paedobaptists who were not in their strain (Probably not Catholics however) which made the more tolerant than most New England Puritans.
Richard Howland Maxwell gives a good description of the Plymouth Colony's attitude, Moreover, the Plymouth Separatists were willing to share in worship with other Christian groups, including the Church of England - an idea which had much to do with the controversy between the Pilgrims and one of their most famous ministers, Roger Williams...Neither the Baptists nor the Quakers were welcome in Plymouth, Massachusetts Bay, any other English colony, nor England itself. So the attitude toward the groups by the Plymouth colonists is little more than a reflection of a much more widely held attitude. http://www.pilgrimhall.org/PSNoteNewReligiousControversies.htm
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Man, I know nothing and you can't blame it on me. The natives gave me some weed and I was sitting under a tree enjoying a smoke and the next thing I knew, EVERYONE WAS GONE!
Just me and this Sir Thomas of Hanks guy, all alone, waiting to be rescued.
Dr. Bob
Older than Iowa and Twice as Corny -
This "strange person" held the highly controversial views that:
1. a person's relationship with God was determined between that person and God alone, and was not subject to the judgment of magistrates in the Plymouth Colony; and
2. the Plymouth elders were wrong in assuming that the royal charter gave them the right to take the land from the Indians without payment - he insisted that they must pay directly for whatever land they wanted, bargaining in good faith.
So it was due to these so-called "Christians" at Plymouth that the four Quakers were hung for blasphemy, and that the above individual was expelled, in the middle of the winter, without provisions.
This man's name? Roger Williams. Does it ring a bell? He was the founder of Rhode Island. Roger Williams left Plymouth, and started a new colony on land bought fairly from the Narrangansett Indians. He made Rhode Island a haven for people persecuted by intolerance, such as what he suffered at the hands of the Plymouth Colony.
So before you go making saints out the people at the Plymouth Colony, you might want to actually examine some of their practices. They were also known for being grave-robbers; somehow they had been enticed into believing that the Massachusetts Indians were buried with fortunes of gold and jewels. So they saw no crime in digging up the graves of these people, looking for gold jewelry or artifacts. Not exactly the most Christian actions - nor the most Christ-like motivations. -
PastorGreg MemberSite Supporter
Tuna, this type of slander of the Pilgrims has already been adressed. It is simply untrue. These things (if committed) were done by the Puritans of Massachusetts Bay Colony, not by the Separatists of Plymouth Colony. A cursory familiarity with history makes this very clear.
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And yes, these Pilgrims / Separatists stole what they wanted. An eyewitness to the Pilgrim settlement said in his diary:
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Much of our knowledge of ancient civilizations depends on graverobbing.