Why would a Calvinist deny that the Gentiles will be saved? Are all Gentiles saved? No. But it doesn't say that at all here so I don't understand your argument.
Does God love everyone?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by annsni, Oct 19, 2008.
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Secondly who said "millions and millions" were shut out. I read continuously where the gentiles sought out Jesus even though He was primarily here for them. He still ministered to them - and it was only to them that Jesus ever made the statements of 'great faith'. Those who did not recieve the telling of the gospel had already in their own hearts rejected the truths which God reveals of Himself to each and everyman through various means but always the truth they know comes directly from Himself.
However, not everyone whom God sends the gospel to gets saved either, so your #1 is not a true answer to the question.
The only real answer is that the gospel is the 'full or complete message' of God's saving grace given to all for the salvation of those whom God knows will believe and the assurence of damnation for those who reject His great Love. He is the light which spiritually reveals truth to all men everywhere - thus all men are commanded to repent in acknowledgment of their sins against God (which are revealed by God to them through various means - nature, conscience, men's laws, and His own word) whom they know will punish by death all those who do such things. Rom 1:18-32 -
Yes, Jesus did die for each and everyone. You can disagree but that is simply just your opinion.
Secondly, God does love the even the non-elect and the Reformers and Calvinists alike agree with me. You are the one out on your own theological limb who states God has not ever loved or has love for anyone but the elect. That is one of those 'tendencies' a few calvinists have that is not true to main stream historical Calvinism.
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When you (or any other of my BB friends for that matter) specifically answer the questions that I have posed for you with regard to Judas Iscariot in my post, describing the kind, or the degree, or the level of love that God openly demonstrated for Judas Iscariot, then--and only then--will I attempt to answer those questions that you, my dear brother in Christ have posed to me.
Is that asking too much?
I would hope not.
Blessings to you and yours! -
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Benevolence is greater than hate. God is omnibenevolent. -
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BTW,Jonathan Edwards had a good sermon on The Justic Of God In The Judgment Of Sinners. -
I have a question for everyone.Does God love those whom He does not chastise?
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We don't have the answers to the questions above - what we do know is that God is a God of justice and mercy, and that is all we need to know. No one goes to hell unjustly. -
- Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
- Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
- Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
- Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers." - Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."
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If God doesn't hate some, why is it so great that He loves me? Isn't He just doing what He's supposed to do?
In a sense though, I do think He loves everyone to some extent through common grace, but he does show a special love to His people. -
Did not Jesus love his disciples (which included Judas)? - Yes
Did Jesus hate Judas? - No, not as far as scripture declares but loved him
Did Jesus not include Judas in everything He revealed to the disciples, and also in the sending of them to cast out demons, heal the sick, and preach the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand? - Yes, and to assume Judas did not do these things Christ commanded them is to bring something to the text it does not state in any fashion.
Jesus did for Judas all that He would do for everyman, but they still must choose life or death, submission or rebellion. Yes Judas was the son of perdition not because he had no choice in the matter and then be damned but because it was his choice and God used him in a way that would absolutely bring his plan to be. -
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Did God hate them before they were born or after they choose to continue in sin and wickedness?
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"And God hath before the foundation of the world, foreordained some men to eternal life, through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of His grace; leaving the rest in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His justice. " (from the oldest English Baptist Confession of Faith) -
Man is incapable in nature to do one iota of "right", and must be given a new nature capable of seeking.
It is true THEN that God rewards those who seek. But He first seeks man and changes man and only then will (or CAN) man respond by seeking.
Gotta keep a sovereign God to first "act", and only THEN His elect to whom He gives faith and repentance will "re-act" -
Three different times, that seems like a established witness that he does hate. That is what GOD has to say about the matter. -
That verse is about nations, btw... -
That verse is about nations, btw... -
That verse is about nations, btw...
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