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Not sure where you heard this. I did a search "brazile apologizes" and all that came up was her apologizing to the DNC and Bernie. Both of which lobby for the abortion mills, hardly a Christian attribute.

 

We all noticed you did not address this...."If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." Tell us how the Jews love Jesus Christ?

So tell us how the Jews love Jesus Christ? Still waiting....

So tell us how the Jews love Jesus Christ?

There it is! Tell us how the Jews loved their brothers Paul, Peter, John, Mark, Luke, Mathew, etc.... Tell us how the Jews loved them so much they tracked them down and killed them. Please do tell us....

Tell us how the Jews, even today, love Jesus Christ? "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." Go ahead and tell us, we are all ears!

 

Exactly! They don't believe He is The Son of God! So you believe Christ forgives them for not believing?

1) Jesus DEFINES those who love Him. They BELIEVE Him.
2) Jesus DECLARES these who do not BELIEVE Him children of the Devil.
3) Unless you believe children of the Devil are saved, Jesus' Word destroys your gospel of phony love.

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."

Well there it is Utilyan, can ye hear it? Jesus rejects their claim to be of God BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF that Jesus is the Son of God! Jesus even goes further calling the Devil their father.

"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

That is correct! And Paul was NOT saved UNTIL he BELIEVED!

Great example of Jesus condemning those Jews who would not BELIEVE! Those who wanted to say God was their Father and yet NOT BELIEVE Jesus is the Son of God.

The same Jews who reject Jesus Christ and refuse to BELIEVE He is the Christ? God's Standard is Faith in His Son which produces genuine Love. The Jews and the Catholic standard is worldly love void of Faith in Jesus Christ. I will go with God on this one!

This you say, but you insist upon making up this Love salvation apart from Faith in Jesus Christ. This is found nowhere in the Scripture and is ENTIRELY going beyond what is written. What is written is crystal clear.

Lol. I gave you dozens of bible verses that declare one MUST BELIEVE Jesus is the Son of God or they are condemned and you reject what God says. Why in the world would you accept any bible verses proving any type of doctrines???

 

You guys are so far disconnected from the Truth. Don't you read and hear what Jesus Christ had to say? I honestly don't believe you read or care what Jesus said. He spoke plainly about salvation, so plainly it is ridiculous how anyone would not get it.

You cling to an account Jesus gave describing a Good Samaritan loving a stranger and declare false all the declarations of Jesus Christ saying those who do not believe He is the Christ are condemned. You like the Good Samaritan salvation plan you came up with, guess it takes you off the hook for evangelism, after all, show a little love and you will be just fine with God, that feels better. But you hate what Jesus said about not believing He is the Christ salvation plan presented by God throughout hundreds of verses in the Scripture. Wouldn't hating what Jesus said be the same as hating Jesus? Well, maybe I am just reading it wrong, maybe taking it out of context. Ok, you explain the passage for me...

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God....But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God....
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him".

Go ahead, explain why this does not say what it says. I don't even need to add commentary, looks crystal clear to me, but go ahead and explain why it does not say belief is necessary to avoid condemnation.

 

You will notice the condemnations were from Jesus' mouth, not mine. I only follow Jesus' command to preach His words to the world, a command you refuse to obey.

Here are His words again, go ahead and explain to us why it does not say belief is necessary to avoid condemnation...

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God....But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God....
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him".

How are you walking the walk of Christ when you refuse to tell people the whole truth of the Gospel? Christ told the whole truth, you do not, thus you do not walk the walk of Christ.

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Bolded is the whole truth of the matter. You refuse to preach the whole truth, this Jesus did not do.

 

Which I agree with. But you have selective commands. You pick the ones you like and reject the ones you do not like. I on the other hand embrace both, one command does not nulify the other, both are matters of fact.

LOVE GOD and LOVE NEIGHBOR and BELIEVE ON THE SON OF GOD.

Satan is an ANGEL. Angels have no part in God's salvation of human beings. Their fate was sealed when God dealt with Satan and all the angels before God ever created Adam and Eve. So your "Satan believes" plea is really showing ignorance of the bible. One day God will deal with all human beings at the Great White Throne Judgment and at that time ALL human beings will believe in Jesus Christ, but not all will be saved, correct? So you really ought to put that argument in the trash tank.

Not sure how this would settle whether or not Jesus said "He that believeth not is condemned already".

It appears by this new angel you are suggesting there is a different Final Authority other than the Word of God? Does this mean you are dismissing what Jesus said as NOT Authoritative? You will have to explain what you are thinking. If the Word of God is not your Final Authority then who is?

 

Yes, it is. So how should we deal with this? How many baptisms are described in the Word? Which one would Jesus have to be referring to? Would it be water baptism? Well, the thief on the cross was not baptized with water, however he did believe. What about a soldier pinned down in a fox hole and his fellow soldier, a Christian, witnesses the Gospel to him and he believes, but is killed that very same hour? Is he not saved because he could not get to some water? Yet there is a salvation baptism spoken of that does not involve any water, yet is connected to belief of Jesus Christ. Do you know what baptism does not involve any water, yet is connected to believe?

"John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:" (Luke 3:16)

The wonderful thing is there is no need to wonder, we have the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to teach us.

Now you teach one only needs to Love or in others words "Love Alone".

I teach one only needs to have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ or in other words 'Faith Alone".

Now my Faith Alone teaching is NOT defined as Faith without Love or good works through Love. True Faith is evidenced by good works of Love for thy Neighbor. Thus, my position of salvation is Faith in Jesus Christ Alone and that "said" Faith is proven outwardly genuine by that person's works, the works in themselves justifying the said Faith and not the person's soul before God. Paul and James both make this crystal clear.

Now on the other hand you are teaching Love Alone void of any Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Oh a person can have both, but both is not necessary for salvation. This of course would reject nearly all of the Jesus' teaching in the Word of God on Believing.

 

It appears you have been backed up against a wall. Not a bad place to be if you will humble yourself and examine yourself.

Here it is again, you can continue to dig in your heals or you can reflect upon your position and attempt to defend it or adjust it.....

Not sure how this new angel would settle whether or not Jesus said "He that believeth not is condemned already".

It appears by this new angel you are suggesting there is a different Final Authority other than the Word of God? Does this mean you are dismissing what Jesus said as NOT Authoritative? You will have to explain what you are thinking. If the Word of God is not your Final Authority then who is?

 

Maybe your position is different than Utilyan's. His position is NO Faith in Jesus Christ is needed only Love. I am glad to see you at least understand Faith is essential. I also agree we will be judged according to our works, however, as you agree faith is essential, these works will only be judged worthy if seen through the eyes of God as done in and through Christ.

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing". (John 15:5)

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them". (Eph 2:10)

I appreciate you going to the Word of God as your Final Authority to argue your positions. As you can see however, the Word of God can be misunderstood and this is why we must study and rightly divide the word of Truth. You referenced a passage but misapplied it by not allowing the full counsel of God's Word to apply it within the context of faith and one first being created in Christ Jesus. Scripture will interpret Scripture or in other words God will interpret His doctrines with His Word.

I don;t understand Utilyan. You are fellow Catholics correct? Yet you two do not agree on faith being essential for salvation. I thought Catholics prided their religion on all maintaining the same doctrinal beliefs without error?