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Yes, you are a part of the Body of Christ and I have no problem with respectfully listening to your viewpoint. However, as nice a person as you are, you have not been placed by God in any ecclesiastical authority over me and I will take that fact into account as we converse about religious matters. God bless!

 

That's funny, you thinking I meant you personally.

 

Oh my, how did I forget to mention the Holy Spirit, sent to be with us and help us? My mistake, as the Holy Spirit is indeed integral to the Church, offering His unequaled guidance and help.

And what do I mean by the "Church"? Of course I mean the One Universal (Catholic) Christian Church that exists here on earth that was started by Jesus Christ, given to His Apostles (with authority), passed on by them to their successors who were the Bishops of the newly emerging Christian Church. We know those men as the Early Church Fathers, the leaders who called the various councils and synods to decide the basic doctrines of Christianity that all Christians of today continue to believe.

It's that church of which I speak, not the one's started by men who left it because of their claim that they now had "the truth". Come on brother, you know these things as we have been through them all before.

 

When the Church held council there was plenty of debate.
Acts 10

1Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue.

Just because they were JUDAISERS. They didn't say well we are the real church and these guys are fake. They got together in a council and settled it.

Protestants and Reformers LEFT. The council is there and ready. Instead you are giving a cop out that the hearer's of our lord never gave.

This why even now you are continuously splintering for every single piece of doctrine where you are the minority you leave and start another denomination.



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You want to insinuate that the commandments JESUS CHRIST gave were not commandments until they were written down.

John 13

34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Amen its absolutely true, its how I know weather you are a disciple of Jesus or not.

Just because it happen to get written down LATER by those who HEARD IT doesn't mean it was not a commandment untill it was written.

And just for the sake of this FAILED argument.

Lets just suppose Jesus WROTE down these commandments with scripture instantly existing at the moment, which obviously did not happen.

IT would still fall short a LONG LONG WAYS from stating that scripture is the FINAL and ONLY authority.


How about giving us that bible verse you swear exist, that scripture is the ONLY and FINAL authority in Christianity.

Maybe someone can help Steaver out a bit, By supplying scripture he claims exists.

NO DECEPTION. don't try to hide with things we already agree on. I know scripture is TRUE, I know Scripture is important.

 

I don't know as I wasn't there in the room when those things happened. But I imagine they prayed about what they were about to decide.

Pretty much. The Trinitarian concept and Jesus as both human and divine.

Yes and no. While they are Christians, they have given short shrift to the teachings of the One Universal (Catholic) Christian Church. They went off and started their own denominations with their own doctrines, rejecting much of the teachings of orthodox Christianity.

 

Because they became accepted by everyone in the Christian world as that was the standard Christian teaching passed down through the generations. People knew abut Christ from the beginning because of the oral tradition, not because they read the Scriptures. The truth is most people in the world were illiterate and not reading anything. It's like everyone knows what gravity is even though most people have never read the scientific literature on it. Does that help?

 

Oral Tradition; the problem with Oral Tradition is that it has the same problem that the game of telephone has.

The tradition changes over the passage of time and peoples.

HankD

 

Deflections and dodges.

How about giving us that bible verse you swear exist, that scripture is the ONLY and FINAL authority in Christianity.

Maybe someone can help Steaver out a bit, By supplying scripture he claims exists.

NO DECEPTION. don't try to hide with things we already agree on. I know scripture is TRUE, I know Scripture is important.

Then we can put a stop to "PEDDLING LIES".


You have the easiest job in the world, to show us a bible verse you swear exists.

 

So you had no Christian faith before you started reading the Bible?