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When have Christians in America put anyone to death? It is only state governments and the federal government that executes the death penalty.

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The death penalty is not murder.

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We just gather round our keyboards and our small group tables and applaud it. It's not a good look for the people who claim to follow the One WHo exhibited nothing but grace and mercy.

 

Nobody applauds it, but but sometimes it is necessary.

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If the directive didn't come from GOD, it's murder.

Why would we be okay with a government that does not follow Christ making the decision to murder someone?

This is the same government that just gave us same-sex marriage. This is the same government that sanctions abortion.This is the same government that sanctions all types of wickedness. Yet we're supposed to trust THAT government to get life right?

If they got it wrong with abortion, why do we think they got it right with capital punishment?

Everything about the Cross says our stance should be to ask for grace and mercy as we speak life.

Satan brings death

Jesus brings life. We should always be for life.

 

It's applauded on here and by individuals throughout the church. Ask the average person on this board what Dylann Roof should have happen to him, and if they are being honest and not trying to be contrary, they'll say the death penalty.

 

Nobody applauds it, it is not murder such rhetoric is idiotic. Such rhetoric is us used because you have no argument so you use emotionalism.

 

And you have no defense for the wanton murder so you just claim the opposite of what Jesus demonstrated on the Cross.

 

What does supporting something mean then if not applauding it? Now we can get into all sorts of definitions and uses of words. But you tell people in the world that you support the death penalty and they will think you applaud its use.

And I understand that Scarlett. I think that's a natural response in lieu of what took place.

But God didn't set us apart to be natural in the sense of our response being what the flesh would choose. So we have to look past how our flesh wants to respond. And remember that, even though Dylann Roof murdered nine people, in the eyes of God he broke the same law that we all break. Our default should be grace and mercy even if our flesh wants to kick his behind.

And this is where I disagree. As I said earlier, I don't believe Jesus has vested life and death to be righteously decided by folks who have murdered 55 million unborn babies. As wrong as they are on that, I don't see any way they can be right about capital punishment.

That's why I truly believe the Cross did away with the right from God for men to take the life of another as final judgment.

 

And Christians serve in both.

 

I am not a complete pacifist. I believe self-defense is acceptable. So, to me, that means some wars are justifiable. I wonder how many wars could be said to be in self-defense that the USA has engaged in.

 

So, you think Mother Theresa and Gandhi held to and lived a higher moral and ethical standard than Jesus? That's incredible! I hope you realize how foolish it is for a professed follower of Jesus to have said that.

 

Mother Theresa was flawed just as was the racist Ghandi. Jesus was not.

Yes it was on the table then. For the same reason as was a lot of the other cultural laws. But they aren't stoning anyone today either.

I didn't say they were released from paying the consequences. I just believe that what Jesus did on the Cross demands that we, as His followers, always support grace and mercy for those who have wronged us or who have set themselves up as our enemies.

HE ALWAYS seemed to advocate the opposite or something contrary to whatever the state was for.

And if we're not gonna trust the ones who have murdered 55 million to honor Christ with their actions toward the unborn, why would we trust their judgment with the born?

Yes,but God has always used governments to bear the sword. He never says they are justified or righteously doing so.

It makes perfectly good sense for God to ALLOW governments to do this as it would be consistent with(when you take their stance on abortion into consideration) the government's anti-life stance.

It highlights just how much more we should be advocates of life and always grace and mercy when someone's life is at stake. It would be the type of display of love that would cause a lost world to pause just as it did when it heard that one of the family members told Dylann Roof that she forgives him.

He also understood that he couldn't be killed unless GOD allowed them to do the killing. And there would still be nothing righteous about it.

It's a part, not even necessary, of MAN's laws. The Cross completed the need to do so in God's law.

Paul understood that an unrighteous government would do just the opposite of what a holy God would.

 

I don't know for sure if you have or not (if that's a question). But yeah, forgive him-- turn him loose, and maybe plead with him to not do anything so naughty again.

 

And you obviously don't know much about Gandhi, either.

So, according to you, Jesus and John Wayne were about the same.