Yes, he was a liar who denied his adultery with other woman. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you know this to be true or is it hearsay? What evidence or proof do you have? What is the Biblical standard for receiving such an accusation? Have you met that standard before passing along the gossip?
Hyles Anderson College under Schaap
Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by Dr. Bob, Aug 15, 2004.
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From my observation (in psychology, we call it clinical experience), it appears that it is okay in the new and loving Fundamentalist circles to berate, lamblast, cuss, slander, impugn, criticize, and malalign someone as long as you take the politically correct line and plaster the right person. However, we dare not breath a word of suspicion against the scared cows--pardon me--holy icons. Take it and wear it where it fits.
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Squire Robertsson AdministratorAdministrator
Paid, the story of adultery referred to above is not of recent vintage. The story is of long enough standing that its sources border on common knowledge. At the time, Biblical procedures were followed by those brethren making the accusation. Brother Hyles had sufficent time before his passing to defend himself on the charges. Regretfully, his defense did not withstand scrutiny. Now, we are not dealing with gossip but with history, albeit unpleasent history.
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JACK SCHAAP IS NOTHING LIKE DR. HYLES! DR. HYLES WAS A WONDERFUL PREACHER AND HE WAS ABLE TO GLORIFY GOD WITH THE MINISRTY GOD HELPED HIM BUILD. ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DR. HYLES BECAUSE HE WOULD STAND FOR THE TRUTH AND WOULD NOT COMPROMISE, EVEN WHEN HE WAS WITH THE SWORD OF THE LORD CROWD. WHEN JACK SCHAPP BECAME PASTOR HE DIDN'T UTILIZE ANY OF THE TEACHINGS OF DR. HYLES. HE STOLE SOMEONE ELSE'S CHARASMATIC "DOCTRINE" . I AGREE, THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WERE IGNORANT AND COULDN'T DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEY BELIEVE SO THEY ADOPTED SOMEONE ELSE'S BELIEFS. DR. HYLES NEVER PUSHED ANYTHING ON ANYONE. HE JUST GAVE THEM THE TRUTH.
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JLM04, learn how to use the "shift" and "caps lock" key. Or do a search on the word "netiquette", please. All caps is considered yelling.
Now, as to your rant about Jack Schaap, I've heard him preach by tape and over the internet. His doctrine is just as flawed as that of his father in law. Dr. Hyles ruined countless lives. He was FAR from standing for the truth with his braggard ways and his avoidance of accountability regarding his son Davids behaviour and his behaviour towards a woman who was supposed to be his secretary. Facts are facts. You don't have to accept them. "Dr" Hyles was at MBBC when I was there, and he claims from the pulpit that he NEVER cut down another pastor or college president either in private or public. This is an outright lie, because I was in MBBC's gymatorium when he did so in front of many students, stating that Dr. B. Myron Cedarholm was not fit to run a college, nor was his soon to be successor, Arno Q. Weniger, Jr. I've heard him cut down many more in person. I also know many that he threatened or had his goon squads chase from FBCH/HAC. Read Voyle Glovers book, Fundamental Seduction. Ask George Godfrey or Dr. Sumner. There are many others I could name here who know Schaap, and who knew Dr. Hyles and worked with him personally. The truth may hurt, but it is still the truth. -
Hyles changing views regarding Storehouse Tithing:
From the sermon Inferior Churches, Sunday Evening, May 24, 1970:
"If you're sending money to any organization I mentioned tonight and they're preaching the Gospel, you will never and have never heard me criticize you for it. One reason is I don't preach storehouse tithing. I practice it, but I don't preach it. I give my tithe to the local church, but I don't preach it, because I don't want to be selfish. But, if you want to send your tithe somewhere outside the church, I won't even preach as strongly as I believe about it, lest I become selfish with the money of my people, and I don't want to do that.
From the book The Church, 1992:
"You have no right to divide it [the tithe] up and designate it as you choose... You are to give it to the regular offering of the church. There is nothing wrong with giving designated gifts, if they are over and above the tithes... There is no place in the Bible where any Christian designated the tithe. They brought it to the house of God, and the house of God disbursed it." -
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I'm not a Hyles fan, but that's pretty weak, Larry. Have you never changed any viewpoint in the course of 22 years?
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Note who JLM (who just spoke so glowingly of Hyles) is. She is from Tom Neal's church, a die-hard support of Hyles and all things hylish. It explains her rant, her blindness, and her defense of the inexcusable.
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Or how about his mid-1980's switch regarding repentance, in which he (ala Curtis Hutson) began to preach that repentance only required a turning from unbelief to belief (but not any actual repentance from/of sin). This aberration is an affront on the very belief & understanding of salvation. For this position on his, see again 1993's Enemies of Soul Winning, specifically the chapter titled "Misunderstood Repentance".
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Likewise, in 2000's book What Great Men Have Taught Me, Hyles had the audacity to say that as a young preacher, over 40 years earlier, he had settled in his heart all of his beliefs and over the many intervening years not a single belief had ever changed. -
BTW, Dr. Bob. I couldn't figure out how to PM you, so I guess that I do not have that capability, but I did have some questions regarding MBBC bible courses being offered at Anchor Baptist Church in Millersville, MD. They are located very close to me, and just had some questions. -
To all, if I seem a bit contentious or a trifle testy in my posts above, I think the trigger that really turned me off of Hyles & the whole Hammond mentality was the "100% Hyles" campaign/mass brainwashing that took place in the early to mid 80's.
To those who may not be familiar with the circumstances, what happened is that after the charges of impropriety were leveled at Hyles, a campaign was started which served as a sort of litmus test to cull the mere pretenders from the real, hardcore Hyles loyalists. Buttons were printed & worn with the slogan "100% Hyles". Those who may have shown up for the annual Pastor's School at FBCH were immediately suspect w/o a button. "Are you 100% for Hyles?" became something of a common greeting.
I was there. I attended Pastor's School in the early 80's, and witnessed the incipient stages of this travesty.
I wasn't able to stomach this kind of malarky though, so I was persona non grata among the syncophants. No mere man should ever foster that kind of blind man-worship, or permit his church or others to perpetuate it. The only "100%" button I'd ever wear would read "100% Christ Jesus".
Bob (Robert) Billings, the 1st President of Hyles-Anderson College (Wendell Evans' predecessor) apparently recognized this even before the 1980's. He resigned from his position in the mid-70's, leaving for posterity this remark (something to this effect): "It's time I took my eyes off Jack, and put them back on Jesus." -
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ASKJO; Is Hyles-Anderson where you became KJVO?
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AVL1984, Thank you for informing me that all caps are yelling. Seeing how this is my first time using any kind of message board I didn't know that.
No man's preaching is "perfect",I'm sure it can be flawed at times, but putting Dr. Hyles in the same category as Jack Schapp is crazy. There is no comparrison. As far as controlling his son, David, I believe Dr. Hyles did his best to raise David. But he can't control David Hyles when he is in his adulthood and has to account for himself. You can't blame a father if his son chooses to live his life in sin. Dr. Hyles did expose people for the wrong they were doing, he wasn't afraid. What your saying doesn't hurt because I know it's NOT the truth. Obviously you don't know anything about truth.
And yes Dr. BOB, I do attend Dr. Neals church, I'm not a "Hyles worshiper" I just think he is a Great man of God, and because you seem so interested on where I came from I was attending Dr. Everette Farris' church (Pinellas Park Baptist Temple) before I came to college at Berean. -
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Sorry to have implied you were part of any problem just because of your church affiliation.
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