http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=836341&postcount=166 The above link will explain why the wine and strong drink in Deuteronomy could not have been fermented.
BTW, the wine in both accounts of Deuteronomy, Psalm 104, and in Prov. 20:1; 23:31 are 'yayin,' which further proves the word 'wine' must be generic.
Why would God tell us to stay away from fermented wine in one passage and to partake of it in another? The answer... He wouldn't. We are to stay away from the fermented wine, and partake of non-fermented wine.
They make non-alcoholic wine's and beers today. Why don't the proponents of wine drinking stand for that kind of wine instead of that which is a result of decay-- fermentation?
Is Drinking Wine Wrong??
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by TaliOrlando, Aug 8, 2006.
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Not really.
Word for "Strong Drink"
H7941
שׁכר
shêkâr
shay-kawr'
From H7937; an intoxicant, that is, intensely alcoholic liquor: - strong drink, + drunkard, strong wine.
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Again, strong drink must be generic, either fermented or not fermented in light of Deuteronomy 14 and Deuteronomy 29
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That totally didn't make any sense!!
yayin (wine in 14:26) is a word that means 'wine' (it's also translated as banqueting and winebibbers). It's from an unused root meaning to effervesce - non-alcoholic juice doesnt' effervesce unless you add carbon dioxide to it or it's fermenting.
shekar (strong drink in 14:26) means "strong drink, intoxicating drink, fermented or intoxicating liquor" according to Strongs. The word is translated as 'strong drink', 'strong wine' or 'drunkard' in the KVJ.
I don't understand this 'generic' thing making it NOT wine. It says what it says.
As for the other verse, it's got totally nothing to do with this OR drinking! He drank the 'blood of the grapes" - the juice, is how I read it. The words mean "blood... of grapes" (figuratively)(dam) and grape (`enab) - one time it's translated as wine (Hosea 3:1) but the rest of the time it's 'grape', That's not wine. The words are completely different in both verses. But then again, he drank oil and honey from the rocks, so I think it's a bit of a different situation from what we normally encounter, don't you think? -
OK - I see the second Deut verse I have is wrong - let me look at the 29 verse. The 32 verse TOTALLY didn't work!
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just as water is a generic word (filtered, non filtered, pure, spring, distilled, muddy, etc...) and milk is also generic (chocolate, skim, homogenized, etc...) so also is wine a generic word.
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OK - I don't see how the chapter 29 verse says that the words in the chapter 14 verse can't be regular wine and strong drink. In chapter 14, the Israelites are getting their 'rules' to live by and in chapter 29 verse 6, it is looking back at the 40 years in the dessert. BOTH are talking of wine and strong drink. Strong drink is SPECIFICALLY an alcoholic beverage that intoxicates - that can't be a word meaning something else. It's NEVER used as anything being NON-alcoholic - EVER. I think your reasoning is completely wrong.
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According to Ariel Vineyards, their 'non-alcoholic' wine has been judged best tasting wine over several alcoholic wines.
The fact that the 'non-alcoholic' wine has less than half of one percent alcohol in it tells me that it is closest to being made in Biblical fashion. The scripture tells us that one would have to drink all day long before it would inflame them. Much less intoxicating than the wines and beers that are sold in most stores today. -
HUH? So the best wine is Ariel Vineyard's non-alcoholic so the 'best wine' in the Bible is non-alcoholic??
Where does it say in Scritpure that wine has less than a 1/2 % alcohol? Where does it say that one would have to drink all day long before it would inflame them?? I don't understand!
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Now you admit that even non alcholic wine STILL has alcohol in it! I thought all alcohol was wrong...even .00001%?! I would like how they made this non alcholic wine in biblical times...absent the tools we have today.
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Here's Ariel's site on how they make non-alcoholic wine. I'm thinking the Israelites did NOT have a reverse osmosis unit.
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That's what they must have been carrying inside the Ark of the Covenant :laugh:
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Isaiah 5:11Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
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They very well could have. It is quite evident they had to drink great amounts before the wine inflamed them.
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To me, that sounds like an alcoholic - like some people I know. When they wake up, they start on the Bloody Marys - and work their way through lots of stuff throughout the day. They don't even seem drunk at all - until after dinner. Believe me - they're drinking WAY more than 1/2% alcohol yet are not inflamed until evening.
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